it will soon come to pass that a real estate office will open up in treasure beach at kingsfisher plaza.
say goodbye to the treasure beach you know.
soon you will not recognize your neighbors, soon your friends will be displaced, having sold their home and land for money they will not be able to replace.
and to who, by who? the very people who say they care, the very ones who claim they would not like to see this community developed.
soon you shall see "a who"

Is this a figment of the imagination or a fact because if it is the latter, it's a sad day for Treasure Beach.

God, I hope not!

There a couple of names in my head as to the who.

We took the original posting as an assumption, more like a "what if" scenerio. If folks are taking this as a rumor then we will take this message off as we do not post rumors.

Coldwell Banker already giving out flyers about their representative in TB

Will be curious to see where those involved in all the development live. Don't think its in Treasure Beach.

I've seen the full color flyer with my own eyes. A real estate office will be, or already is, in shop #3 Kingfisher Plaza.

Where there is demand, supply will come. Same with land, same with food, same with drugs, same with everything.

The developer needs to acquire the land from someone. Maybe we should think about that before we fault the developer.

Progress, some good some bad.

There are several real estate agents already working in Treasure Beach. You see signs from them all over. The only difference with this is one of them is opening a local office.

a real estate office in treasure beach?
must be a big demand for them to invest in a branch there.
but thinking on it,
we don't have enough water to supply the demand now,
so more houses being built = will that mean suffaration for all.
except the developers, realtors and contractors of course, who will make their money and go off to the other neighborhoods where they reside.
where exactly will this real estate branch be located?

If expectations are that no one will ever buy, and no one will ever sell in TB, with the help of a real estate professional, then you are not living in reality.

Coldwell Banker recently closed their office in Montego Bay. So don't worry. If they cannot keep an office running in Mobay, I doubt they can keep one open for long in TB

I live in an apartment in Ontario Canada. All my food comes from elsewhere. If I had land I could feed myself for less and I would know how its grown and my foot print would be less and I would grow a little more to share with my neighbors or to help those that didn't have or children that are starving. You can do so much with a little land and some effort. TB you should learn how other communities have been affected by selling off land and over populating. If you look at human kind as a whole its very obvious. It's your land to sell if you want but maybe a lease would be a better option. We dont know what the future can bring and those selling might find they are on the short end of the stick and your neighbors might feel the impact as well. You see what some with more Dollers can do, what happens when there's another with more Dollars then all of them and they buy it all and tell you, you cant walk there and you cant grow there and dont stand there and leave now "Oh right, thats happening to you right now". That would be a sad day anywhere but its happening all the time. Dont think you are immune. There are many ways to rape and pillage. Stop selling your land. You cant stone breeze and you cant platt sand and you dont own land it owns us. Be good to it and it will be good to us.

to: save the land.

those are wise words.
hoping the people who own land/property in TB will read your words and reconsider carefully before selling.

As a resident of the area, I personally welcome CB; a company of high standing headed up by a well respected Jamaican family who've been in the real estate business for decades. The company is very forcused on preserving cultural aesthetics; enhancing rather than tearing down.

Hey, if people want to sell their land, they should not be getting pressure from people not to. Unless of course you are willing to help put their children through college, or do the things they want to do with their money. Or maybe you could just buy the land and put your moiney where your mouth is. Buy some land and never sell it. Good luck with that. It is always easy for people to tell others what they should do, but one wonders what they would do if the shoe was on the other foot.

About three generations have now passed but true story: A long time ago in the Treasure Beach area, there was a man that came riding on a horse. The man was treated as a demi-god. He was referred to as Sir, Justice, and Backra, among other titles. Before long, and after little or no monetary investment, the man became the largest landholder in Southest St. Elizabeth. Today, descendants of the previous landowners can only reflect on what might have been. History always repeats itself.

Welcome CB to TB.
Has a nice ring to it nuh true?

Is shop #3 in Kingfisher Plaza not the same location as the Breds office?

the real estate "whatever" will be located at BREDS.

that is interesting
as i thought BREDS was a not-for-profit???????

will BREDS get some of the cut from the rentals and sales .. or will that go to Island Outpost and whoever else manage/promote/own the places for rent and sale?

is BREDS now involved with Island Outpost?
if so, this would be a conflict of interest no?

seems a tad fishy

I heard that a RE/MAX franchise has been opened in Montego Bay and that they have been spending alot of time in the area as well.

No one is pressuring anyone other than a buyer and a Realtor [edited by TB.Net]. The shoe has been on the other foot and it left a lot of sores. Education should be free everywhere (keeps a country competitive and gives people a shot at a better life which in turn gives others a better chance and so on. We don't always see whats to come until the smoke clears. I bet that when oil from the Gulf of Mexico ends up on TB Beaches land for sale won't be the issue( NO FISH TODAY WILL BE )1LOVE and by the way I'm scared for you all in JA and the rest of the world. It will be a very long time for recovery. Please for give me for this but why are we so slow and stupid to save our planet.

Aint no one gonna tell me what to do with my land! Get it? It has been the norm for people to go hitting at everything and everyone in a negative manner for some time now. To what end? Your guess is as good as mine.

I don't think it's slow and stupid NLFST, checking myself, it's more the distractions of my wants and the time it takes to satisfy my needs. I can trim my wants but basic needs should be met. Many have created or accepted wants that leave no time to consider anything beyond scheming for more money. Designing sweet communities, no profit....waste of time, solar energy is too expensive, compost heaps breed rats and lizards.....Yea accepting nonsense.

No time to consider: Composting, separation of wastes into organic (Biomass) and plastics and such. Why bother about things that I am powerless to affect; sure the fish are getting scarcer and smaller, sure I smell burning plastic in Paradise. Everybody does it so why bother stand out as "too smart" or any of the other long time culturally accepted foolishness.

It does not take brains to correct our current destructive approaches, honesty and the willingness to detach from erroneous concepts is a good start. The rest is simple.

"Cyaan Badda" is the first to go......

You burn plastic and spray poisinous chemicals that affect me Landowner and yes! I'm going to demand my rights not to be harmed by your actions. Keep me awake at nights, same thing.

The restrictive covenants and the laws of Jamaica already tell us what we can and cannot do on our land.

I hope the spirit is not of doing your thing in spite of what effect it may have. Let me know how wide the boundaries of your freedoms are.

Let me know if you do unto others as you would have done to yourself. The root of community.

To: Jennifer

Usually when people sell their land and homes not only are they displaced from their community (as they cannot then afford to buy back there due to the higher prices) but the community (the closeness of family and friends for generations) eventually dissolves - as it is only outsiders that can then afford the higher real estate prices.

If this were to happen in Treasure Beach, then I hate to think what Treasure Beach would be like, without the people who make it special.

Yes Think Carefully, this important social aspect is of no importance to a Real Estate Broker. Kindly correct me if I'm wrong. I think a reason for the caution about a broker in our midst is a break in the old word of mouth sale of land. One knows who will be the new neighbour and the behaviour that is expected.

To move into a 1,500 year old community without being willing to respect the lessons learned over the many seasons, will certainly isolate one emotionally from the rest.

Well said Turey. The whole idea is making me fell physically ill.

does anyone know, who is this broker or agent everyone is talking about that is going to be setting up an office in treasure beach?

Is the agent for Coldwell Banker, at Kingfisher Plaza, going to be Sandy Tatham, from a family of long standing in Great Bay (Blue Marlin)...sensitive to archaeological Taino finds & the VALUE of how this community compares so maximally favourably with other Caribbean destinations????

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From what I hear, the real estate broker will also be trying to rent villas. The commisions from this would be a source of income and she could also be introduced to potential buyers through this.

Sometimes the ole MYOB comes into play. If someone wants to sell, let them sell! If someone wants to buy, let them buy! Why does TB think it is exempt to the rest of the world? Because you are there? Geez folks, buying and selling property goes on in ALL free democratic countries. You are special, but not that special

Hi Turey, do like what you say and I consider you intelligent but change is slow and this change is way to slow. Wants eventually become needs and needs wants. I wont pretend that I have all the answers (So Wish I Did ). No its not rocket science to stop destroying our planet but it is rocket science to deal with the very nasty things that have been created and that list is very very long. We can change those needs to positive wants but even those like solar and wind etc will come with its own price to pay. Not looking to bash anyone or have a showdown but a friendly debate or exchange of idea's I do welcome. OUT OF MANY ONE PEOPLE ON ONE PLANET. 1LOVE ALL.
P.S. Turey where do you live?

Hi NLFS, I hope to be in TB more this year.

The only change I can take responsibility for is my own. I sense there are many ready to explore the ways we can effect the changes needed.

I agree, let there be freedom in sale and purchase. There should also be stated community standards that are expected. These do not seem to be protected by those that should be attending to them.

EG: Deforestation, overfishing, archaeological site destruction, crowded building, night noise, plastic and biomass burning etc.

As the old Maroons would tell newcomers: "You are welcome to live with us if you will respect us and the land we live in".

To col. Bill - you are on my page alright.

The Coldwell Banker person is Sandy. She has physically moved out of TB but still owns Blue Marlin.

Do not be lulled into complacency. Just because a Realtor cares about the area, and the Taino etc. does not mean they will say "Oh no, I cannot list your property because I do not agree with this development". The line of thinking may very well be "If I don't list this, someone else will". SO no matter who it is, don't be sad, don't be happy. Just be.

Maybe it is time for the Real Estate Industry to get Real!? Everywhere.

In hopes of stopping rumors and innuendos and providing facts, here are the brochures being given out.

As I've stated before on this forum, I grew up in a small dairy farming town in Massachusetts. My neighbors were relatives or friends who's families had lived there for many, many years. The 'traffic' on our road would on average be about 1 car passing per hour. Of course, we knew who was in the car and would wave.

Now I go back to this small town and that little road which was wide enough to accommodate one car is now a lined two lane road with many roads leading off of this one. All those roads are to housing developments which have been built on former farm land - including the farm land that was my family's. My father and his three brothers sold the farm when their sons and daughters showed no interest in working on it. The children moved away as they came of age and eventually all but one of the families moved away. Now it is just my cousin Hank that lives on this road. Understand, this was the largest dairy farm in the entire county and everyone from the area knew of the Wiersma Brothers farm. (Interesting side note - when they sold the farm my Uncle Arthur went into the real estate business and was very successful as many farms were selling out. He was not a bad person, just took advantage of the opportunity in front of him.)

The reason I am re-telling this personal story is to relate it to what is happening in TB. What attracted me to TB was the similarities of the community to the community I grew up in. But if we think we can stop change and development then we are sorely mistaken. When I look at the town I grew up in I see lots of changes, some negative and some positive. That is what we will be and already are seeing here as well.

I've known several persons who have lost a great deal of money in both the buyer and seller aspect of real estate transactions in TB. Maybe by having professionals here there won't be so much ignorance and folks might be more protected from this happening.

As for the Treading Lightly Development, well again, development is happening already. My personal opinion is I would much rather see an eco-friendly development coming to TB vs. more of those cement monstrosities which seem to be springing up everywhere (again my personal taste).

One thing I know for sure, negativity breeds negativity, and all the negativity showing up on this forum is not going to benefit anyone. Please express your opinion but please express it without condemning others. The more we all work together the more we will sustain and maintain the essence of this wonderful community. If we stop talking to each other nothing will be accomplished and that will only hurt the very community we are trying to protect. Let's not feed into being a part of the problem but let's all work together in being a part of the solution.

Yes, I am a Pollyanna . . . and proud of it.

As we say here - I wish all of us all the best.

Good luck to all who wish to buy and all who wish to sell their land and homes.

Having enjoyed Treasure Beach as a wonderful community for many years, am happy to have one foot out of there now,and will gladly sell my land to the highest bidder.

That is, once the prices go even higher!

Well said Rebecca. I dont think anyone will take you on for your frank opinion ... and of course you know when to put a stop to it ... soon hopefully.

I hope the best for this project.

I suspect that no one would make such a purchase and commitment unless they felt that the community is right for them and visa versa.

Time will tell if the designs are based on future projected Low External Input of energy, water etc and Low Internal Output of pollutants, noise etc. I know, the bottom line for those that still use the accounting system that ignores Externalities is cash flow only. Wind and water flow and the passages and spaces of flora and fauna are ignored.

If one has the eyes to see, everywhere is very special. Unfortunately we have changed much of this into boring, ugly and hot. The surviving remnant, including TB is thus very very special.

Thing is: who is so very special that they can do what they want when they want.

As a regular to TB, Rebecca is right when she says "Maybe by having professionals here there won't be so much ignorance and folks might be more protected from this happening."
Ethically they should look out for their clients best interest above evryone elses, including their own. A new day is dawnng in regards to real estate in Jamaica with the MLS now in place. As a competitor to Coldwell Banker, we wish them all the success in the world. There are very few professions where you actually work WITH the competition. This is good for everyone. Just remember that the only good real estate transaction is one where Everybody Wins. Yes, there are unethical people out there. So choose carefully. So welcome CB and Sandy Tatham. I am confident that you will serve the community and your clients well.

To Col. Bill

Seems as if you could be looking to buy land in TB. If you already had a place there maybe you too would want the community to remain tightly knitted and not end up like everywhere else in jamaica,[edited by TB.Net].
thankfully i do not live in treasure beach, as
sounds like big change a coming

Nuff respect to you Rebecca.
As always you bring balance and fairness to the table.
Hope it is appreciated by all.

Col Bill for his own good has many many alliases.

I have a question. I see Tamesha Dyght is now working with Sandy at Coldwell Banker. Does this mean she is no longer working for Jakes or Breds?

To 'Change':
You know what they say about assumptions...
If you only knew....
Anyway, just because someone may want to buy a piece of land in TB does not mean that it would end up like everywhere else in JA.
The only place I know of that remaines pretty much the same is the Galapogos Islands. I know sometimes reality bites, but stomping your feet will not improve relations with the new neighbors.

We stomp together around campfires, especially on moonshine nights.

Neighbours that dance and reason together, stay together.

Sandy Tatham knows the community and I would think has the best in mind for it's future.

Hi Sandy, look forward to seeing you again.

Lotsa people work 2 jobs. Real estate can be tough. You can literally go months without getting paid

I do not know the rules concerning realtors in Jamaica. But in America if a realtor lists your property, she or he is officially working on your behalf (not the buyer), though most people do not know or believe this. If this is also true in Jamaica, it may actually yield more money for any interested sellers to be represented by a realtor.

Better for Sellers is right. But the other side of the coin is that a Realtor working with the buyer should ensure that the buyer is not paying too much. This is usually done by comparable sales as one method. RE/MAX Platinum said it best that a real estate transaction is only good if Everbody Wins. In other words, no one gets screwed and no one laughs all the way to the bank.

No matter where in the world we live over the years there is going to be change.

Lets hope most of them will be for the best.

Lets face it we cannot stay the same and expect to be prosperous.

I have seen Treasure Beach growing and so far I do not see a problem.

I think the people of Treasure Beach will always stick together and protect their little village.

to: turey

i do not know of any realtor " that has the best in mind for any communities future", but hopefully in this case the people of treasure beach will make the right choices for themselves, and whatever happens will be in the best interest for this lovely community and the surrounding area.

May conscious actions emerge.

Hello to the web masters and all my reading friends,
Lets say my father died and left five acres of nice
beach land for me and my 2 brothers and 2 sisters.
We cant pay the taxes, the govt. can take it from us. we are unable improve the property.
Along comes a buyer and offer us J$50M,that's J$10M
ea. We would be five idiots to refuse such an offer. we will be able to build 5 nice little houses and change left to do other things.
Before that we had to be living in squalor.
And please don't laugh, I have seen it happen.

Maybe the best advice for now is, neither a buyer nor a seller be!

to bowl.

i understand you would get money for your land and be able to build 5 nice little houses, but WHERE would you be able to build for yourselves? you would have sold your family land and therefore chances are you could not afford to buy back into the community, which is/was your home? (and certainly not in such a lovely spot)

that would be a loss for both you and your family, who would most likely be displaced out of the community, and also a loss for the community to lose longstanding residents.

where would you then go and live?

Yes Consciousness.

It is the Jamaican custom for both buyer and seller to use the same attorney. From prior experience, I would seriously caution against doing this. One never knows what can happen at the last minute, and then either the buyer or seller can be left holding the short end of the stick when it is too late to realize what is happening and make changes. I suggest each party begin the transaction with an independent advocate.

What a tangled web we weave !!!!

My 5c worth is that prospective buyers should do their research and to others , don't forget that the the earth cannot stand still.Life goes on and there will be changes as the world turns.

I am sorry to hear that Coldwell Banker, my former employer, is opening an office in Treasure Beach. Their Mandaville Office always covered our area, but there wasn't an office.

I actually was planning to open a real estate office as I know so many people who want to sell and people who want to buy. Their problem is that they don't use a professional who knows about titles, deeds, market price, deposits and passing papers in accordance with the law.

I miss old treasure beach, but the world has changed and if someone needs to sell some land in order to improve their life or because of the tax rate that they cannot afford, I don't think that we should make them feel guilty.

Sorry to disappoint you WTL but I was not talking about where to live. I was talking about extra unused land.
I have never heard of anyone in TB selling there home and go on the street. They might sell a part of but not all.
I remember about 20 years ago an offer was made to a gentleman living on the beach. And the offer was to buy a piece of land somewhere up the hills, build him a house and give him J$3M cash.
The gentleman ask him 'why you want to take me off the seaside and put me in the mountain' He thought about it for awhile and then said 'I'll do it on one condition the cash must be US$3M not J$3M.

To: Lillian

Odd to think that the Mandeville/Manchester real estate was not enough business to have an office there, and Treasure Beach is!

We are sorry to hear they are opening an office in Treasure Beach too.

Yes the world never stops changing, but wouldn't it be wonderful if for once it changed for not because of monetary influence, but instead because of whats best for a community?

I would like to say that the problem is not with the sale of land - the problem is with the lack of enforced planning, zoning and environmental regulations so that there is no control over what people do with their land. With good governance, people only have rights to develop their land in ways that do not harm the public interest. This is what is lacking in Jamaica.

Diana from JET

I am from Treasure Beach.
I have land my parents left me.
If I do not decide to come back and live
I will be selling.

I do not need anyone to tell me what to do with my land.
Who is going to take care of me if I need money to live on.

People of Treasure Beach do not let others influence you what not to do, it all comes down to one thing...taking care of "Number One" You.

In saying all this,I took very good care of my parents but my children has no intentions of ever coming to Treasure Beach to live.
They have already made their lives in the United States with their husbands and children whom by the way are not Jamaicans.

So you see, do not feel guilty just do what you have to do.

Once again, Diana McCauley zeroes in on the essential problem: no laws and regulations guiding people through what is acceptable to do with their property, and what is not.

The people of TB seem to have no interest, alas, in uniting on these matters: burning of all manner of stuff still goes on, the land is treated like a dump, they gripe about the canal, and really don't unite to protest it. A sad state of affairs.

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NAL, I, as a REALTOR and broker, I take offence to your comment, it is based on stereotypes. Ya, I know what you will say next,"Based on my experience" or "a friend of mine" or whatever along those lines. There are crooks in every profession. EVERY PROFESSION. To lump all of us in [edited by TB.Net}is unfair, unknowledgable and just plain wrong. If you feel this way due to your own experience, [edited by TB.net]. By the way, REALTOR is always CAPS!
Maybe you should check the websites of the REB and the REALTORS Association and check out their respective Code of Ethics. REALTORS have alot of responsibility, and it is not always as easy as it seems. We are entrusted with the most important asset or investment most people ever have. I am surprised that last comment was not edited. [edited by TB.Net]

We stand corrected mnken and edited out the last comment made by NAL. Thank you for pointing it out to us and we apologize for allowing it in the first place.

But, alas, we then had to edit a few statements of your own.

Thanks, as always, for keeping it lively!

Thank you TBNet

I am sometimes more opinionated than most, good or bad. TBNet, I know sometimes I can be a handful. I saw you Rebecca pon de road a few months ago, and wanted to introduce myself, as we have had 'debates' over the past 4 years or so. Not sure how I would have been received, so I shied away. I am the kind of guy one either likes alot or cannot stand... No siree Bob, no middle ground for me.

I've always enjoyed a healthy debate mnken. Please, next time introduce yourself. I'd love to meet you!

Diana, you are right. The problem is how we are treating the land and the beaches, not to who we sell it if we choose.

The idea of having realtors in Treasure Beach could be very good for both sellers and buyers. I would actually prefer to see realtors from two or more different firms in TB because I believe competition would benefit all concerned. People also need to know how to evaluate the skills of the realtors because even though they all have to pass tests, some are much better than others. As an example, all licensed drivers pass a test but we know some are great and others are marginal and most are somewhere in the middle.

Maybe selling land in TB is not so bad after all.
By selling land that is vacant the owners I believe will do good in making the property and those around them clean and livable.
Think about this as a positive not a negative move.
Vacant land harbors trash and rodents along with stench.
Wouldn't it be nice to see clean and be able to breathe fresh air?

I knew of one such property and I was literally afraid to walk that road especially at nights.
Now it is cleared you can even see the grass growing and the beauty of the land came alive.

Having a realty office in Treasure Beach will not hurt it anymore than adding a restaurant. What IS hurting Treasure Beach is the absolute disregard by too many people about what is done with the land. I find it unbelievable that the community as a whole cannot agree to band together to do their best to stop anyone from polluting the air, building things that interfere with correct drainage patterns, allow establishments making too much noise, and many other things. NOT CARING ENOUGH TO GET INVOLVED is the problem. It is not from professionals who will be doing their best to help sell land and homes for fair prices and guide people through the complicated transactions.

Word to the wise...
Anyone listing a property ask if it will be in the MLS. If not, the listing agent will probably be the only one that will find a buyer for you. If it is in the MLS, then every agent in Jamaica may be able to procure a buyer for you. So...one agent or 200 looking for a buyer?
Also, expect to pay 5%, as the buyers agent will need to be compensated. Usually 2.5% of the 5%. if you have a 3% listing, you are probably not in the MLS, and sometimes you get what you pay for. Yes, there will be another real estate company in TB. Just not sure when...

Wishing you all to come up with a planning commission in TB. Have been on one in my community and it is crucial to maintain the integrity of this beautiful place, and compromise is to all a benefit. Having studied the Hudson River Valley, Oregon, etc., and my own small organic farming community in the St. Croix River Valley was eye opening. We personally did a survey and found the members of the community had very different views than the big land owners. Greed reared it's ugly head. Work together, as it is a healthy community that supports each other and that thrives. The best to all, as growth is inevitable and planning is just plain smart and fair to business and the community. Land owners are just that! Respect them and most important, listen! Quality of Life!

what a lot of opinions ..
such healthy discourse.

i personally don't care if someone sells their land or not, to local or foreign, but what i do think matters in the end is if the essence of a place disappears by the change that comes about usually with an active real estate market - which this seems to be where its headed for.
if not why would a coldwell banker open an office in little old treasure beach?

i guess the question to ask is - do you and you and you and you want this kind of change in your hometown community?

Hey Folks, lots of good debates, however a listing of property is usually 6%, half goes to the selling agent and half goes to the buyers agent. Then the selling and buying agents usually pay 50% to the companies they work for.

They are experienced and are held by a strong code of ethics, if you ever feel confidence is broken or unethical decisions are being made, contact the real estate board and they will address it promptly and pull the realtors license. It is against the law for someone without a Realtors license to sell property and
collect a commision.

The best way is to contact 3 realtors have them do market studies to assist you in pricing your property, balancing with similar properties and question them about advertising, open houses and what they are willing to do to sell the property.
Listen well, and make your decision. Good Luck

Lil

It boggles my mind to see so may contributors complaining about the opening of a real estate office in T/B. Instead of complaining about this, why not take your energy and turn it into something positive? Do something about the dangerous pesticides being used, about the burning of things that get people sick, about the trash that is left in the streets and on the beaches, about the dangerous chemicals that run off from some establishments, about all the plastic bottles used, about fishing with mesh that catches baby fish which could breed if not caught and discarded. Come together and make rules for the development of T/B.

Use your energy in positive ways instead of making negative comments about someone opening a legitimate business that has the chance of assisting residents in selling their land and properties at fair prices.

Miss McCawlay, if the residents of Treasure Beach would agree to something like zoning laws, would this be a legal thing and could this be enforced or would this have to be done by a government agency.

Zoning laws or a development order would have to be passed and enforcement would have to be done by a government agency. There have been attempts by citizens to develop their own development plans in other parts of Jamaica - I recall the Greater Montego Bay ReDevelopment Plan or some such - but I don't believe it was ever successfully operationalized. The St. Elizabeth Development Order is quite old - badly needs to be updated. A good plan for an area, though, can be helpful if it has widespread citizen support because it can be used to influence the government agencies.

Even small things would make a difference. Could the citizens of Treasure Beach agree to a certain setback distance from the sea for all building and no removal of beach vegetation? Could we agree to protect all Lignum Vitae trees, and where any one tree HAD to be removed, four more would be planted and looked after? Could we agree on limits to the height of buildings? For years this was successfully done in Negril - no building higher than a coconut tree - until the consensus evapourated. Could we come together to organize waste management programmes?

Enforcement IS needed, but so is citizen action.

Diana from JET

Sounds like a good start to me!

Sounds like a good start to me!

Citizen action will never happen. This subject has been hashed, rehashed, and hashed again. Even on this site, but TB is full of armchair quarterbacks. 1000 people talk but 3 show up. Sad but that is the way people are there. Everyone wnats changes, but sit and wait for them to happen. They won't.

what is the
"south coast development plan"
and where can i one actually see or read it?

was this what frank pringle worked on to get passed?

is it in effect?

anyone know anything about this?

Waste management is a good place to start.

It's something all of us have to deal with every day.

To see that our glass is half full and proceed to finish filling is better than exasperating about how half empty it is.

The community has the support of many who have come forward to offer their opinions and/or services. The recent suggestions on community declaring certain limits and encouraging certain activities shows this. Attention is part of filling the glass, no matter if from outsider or bornyah.


The community has a focus; sustainable community tourism in tandem with the traditional farming and fishing.

I was encouraged to see Quest and Guilty still making fine things and see the other craftspeople and artists work in various places.

Calabash demonstrated that TB is still a sanctuary/haven. I'm sure it was so centuries ago. With our beauty, culture, separation from large urban areas and seaside vibes, I'd say our glass is almost to the brim, just a wee tot more......

One Love, Many Ideas.

Speaking of One Love, where the heck is Mikey Mike?

Too Soon,
A very good"EYE OPENER"and its great to see so many people responding and having their say,and i am glad to be one.I am treasurebeach born and grow from 1957 to present day,and in that time i have seen many changes natural and man made.change is a necessity especially for people who finds,themselves in unfortunate positions,of being overlooked,by its own government failings,"to provide for us", or is private investors a no no or maybe is it our own fault for not forming local government.Witout amenities necessary to ssupport and sustain "living" eg food/water hospital/doctors law/police.I often wonder why so many natives citizens,has gone overseas and has not return to exact any important development,such as a much needed hospital.communiy is something i subsscribe to,and people way of life can often be enhanced by new development.If the said developer"is of the people and for the people".I would really like to see a written undertaking by them,to give the area a much needed hospital. Money cause greed and greed destroys.food for thoughts nuh,true.