Scotsman searches for Treasure Beach descendant link

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 07:17 am: Edit Post

What a great article found in the Gleaner today! Thanks go out to James Cant and Earl Moxam for providing us with this fascinating information.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080331/news/news8.html

Can't wait to learn more . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tgirl on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:46 am: Edit Post

this story is great. its good to read it and to know all that info that can link us back to scotland. i always heard about that story growing up but now you can put some truth to it and even the language is great. i live in the states now and when you have to fill paper works out that ask about our origin i try not to fill it out cause you just dont ever feel like you fit any of the ones on the paper. good story


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 07:24 am: Edit Post

Thanks Rebecca. Getting Earl's help with this project has been a God-send and the whole thing seems to be developing a wonderful momentum. And I'm really conscious of the fact that it all started here on the TB Forum - so many, many thanks to all who have contributed with support, advice and information. Please do keep feeding us all the wee snippets of family lore you may have as they all add to the big picture of Treasure Beach.

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By land owner on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 09:11 am: Edit Post

Did not know that the cannon mounted at Jake's was found in the sea at calabash bay
It look pretty new to me a year ago
there was two cannon in the sea in front of the Treasure beach hotel
one was taken out by a man from Canada
the other was too deeply embedded in the rock for us to get it out
always take people snorkeling to look at it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 03:40 pm: Edit Post

Dear "Land Owner"

Do you think that it would be possible to get a decent picture of it using a waterproof camera? Failing that, perhaps one day you can take me snorkelling to see it too.....

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:02 pm: Edit Post

Wow James, I had no idea this is where it all started. That is just great!! You've made my day!!

One of my favorite stories was when my friend Tojo talked of someone from Scotland coming to his verandah one day and telling him how he traced his family roots and found out his great (great?) uncle was on that ship. The last name was Hill. Tojo, if you are reading this, do you remember his name?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NIGEL on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 05:01 pm: Edit Post

Need to know your history!. Ask one of the many elders in TB before their time comes. It could be lost forever if stories and if possible pictures are not handed down to the next Generation. I bet u they would love the company and the chance to tell a great story. I love to hear them and see the joy in their faces.
"There are many of Scottish Descent in TB"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tresan on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post

My great grandfather by my mother's side was Scottish and his surname was Parchment. My surname is also Campbell, so i guess I might be of Scottish descent based on the lineage of both my parents.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 05:21 am: Edit Post

Rebecca

I was amazed to read about the bloke arriving on your friend's doorstep! If Tojo could remember this gent's name and where he came from it could a major step forward in trying to identify the actual ship - and with it - the identity of some more of the crew members. My plan is to try to use the guns' serial numbers to do likewise. But if the challenge could be approached from both angles at the same time, it would add still more to this fascinating account weight to our evidence.

My day was as "made" as your's yesterday. Exciting times!

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By land owner on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 05:26 am: Edit Post

Hi James

You should be able to take a picture if the the water is clear
I am from Treasure beach but I now live in Kingston
@ the University of the West Indies, I am off the Island until September 08

Ask Rebecca to check it out the boys on the beach that do spear fishing
should know where it is
April is a good time of year to go looking for it
Location: The round reef in front of the treasure beach hotel
you walk out to the reef step off into the deep on the east side
there is a flat area 7-10ft where you step off the cannon is on its side pointing west
water is very shallow your head could be above water depend on the tide


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:06 am: Edit Post

Thanks for that. I'm lucky cos at the moment every day is bringing exciting new discoveries and angles to the story.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hill on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:03 am: Edit Post

James, I spoke with Tojo's brother last evening. He said he did not believe they were on the ship, but were from Scotland. He is trying to find out a name for us and will let us know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 07:15 am: Edit Post

Thanks Hill

If they were on the ship, it would like many Christmases arriving at once! But failing that, any Scottish links from the way-back old days would be mighty handy too. I apprecitate you all taking the time and trouble to check it out...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ce Ce on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 10:06 am: Edit Post

My ancestors are from the (Strachan,Parchment,Johnson, Ebanks)family tree therefore I'm a blend of Scottish,Irish,British,German and God knows who else. Just glad to be alive but was told about my great grandparents 50 years ago by my grandmother on my mothers's side who was a Strachan got married to a Parchment.
I think most residents of Tb from the year 1800 to early 1900 are of one of those decendants.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denise on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

Hi Ce Ce Mazie Strachan the youngest child of the late John Strachan,she is the only person i can think of that could give some light on the family history (Strachan).Sadly to say she is the only one of the nine children sill living .Aunt Mazie is the niece of your grandmother . take care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious to know more on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 09:33 pm: Edit Post

My Grandfather Surname is James and growing up i was always told that our decendants are from Scotland. My grandfather once told me that when he was growing up he was told that his great grandfather was from scotland and that it was two brothers that had came to Treasure Beach and one of the brother settle in Knoxwood St. Elizabeth


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ce Ce on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 10:12 am: Edit Post

Hi Denise,

You suggested your aunt Mazie as a niece of my grandmother. Who do you think was my grandmother?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denise on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

HI Ce Ce, has you mention before the names of your family ties ,Strachan bring me to belives that your grandmother is the sister of the late John STrachan .Aunt Ethlyn and grand pa John the only Strachan in TB (may thier soul R.i.P),however i do stand for correction if i am wrong.take care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By T.B. Girl on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 03:06 pm: Edit Post

This is wonderful.
One of my desires is to go to Scottland and trace my back ground, as a matter of fact, my sisters and I planned on going last summer but it didn't work out. Most of the older folks that really knows the story have passed away. I was told that my great grand father was from Scottland. I am eager to know of the discoveries.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 02:50 am: Edit Post

TB Girl

Please feel free to drop me a line if you do decide to come to Scotland. I'd be happy to help you out with travel tips and whatever other info I have.

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Family. on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 09:46 pm: Edit Post

Hi Ce Ce my father dad and Maize mother is brother& sister.we live in a small world Ce Ce hoping to meet you some day take care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ce Ce on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 02:54 pm: Edit Post

Hi Family..Who was/is Mazie's mother. I do not want to sound like (pretend) I really do not know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nordia Campbell on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 05:17 pm: Edit Post

My surname is Campbell, my dad told me, his grandfather, father was a Whiteman, from Scotland. My father knew his grandfather who’s name was Willie Campbell, but he could not recalled Willie‘s father‘s name but it is said to known that Willie was mixed race and it is said that his father had married a black woman, which Willie also did, and that was my great great- grand mother called Dacey.

My great great grandfather was Willie Campbell, he lived in Beacon Treasure Beach before he died roughly 50 years ago. I know he had a lot of land as the Campbell’s around Treasure Beach today has a lot of land which was passed down to them. My dad ’s father’s name was Ezzie Campbell the son of Willie Campbell who also lived in Beacon before he died, 26 years ago. My dad also passed away in 2004 his name was Patrick Campbell, he lived in Sandy Bank Treasure Beach.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Family on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

Hi Ce Ce If I remember correctly Mazie's mother was Mariah James I stand for "correction"take care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By T.B. Girl on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

Hi James,
Thanks for the offer.
I will definitely take up the offer.

T.B. Girl


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tojo Hill on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 08:35 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca:
My brother, Clausy said that he has all of the information you will need about the Scottish people in Jamaica because he and my cousin talk a lot about our heritage roots. He says you can contact him anytime at this number..718-443-7505

Sincerely,
Tojo Hill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tojo Hill on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 05:04 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca,
It's me Tojo...
My cousin Antonio Hill is the one that went to Scotland to trace the family roots. My family roots were found in Aberdeen Scotland. When I talk to my brother, Clausy next time, I will find out how I can get in touch with Antonio, because he knows a lot about the "Hill" family history.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BlackPearl on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 12:05 pm: Edit Post

Hi Denise, my grandmother Maizie, fortunately is not the only living child of the late John Strachan; Aunt Emeline Stachan-Walters who is the youngest child is still alive and resides in Clarendon.

My grandmother's mother name was Mariah Keith James.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 12:58 pm: Edit Post

Dear Tojo

It would be great to hear what light your brother and cousin can shed on the subject.

Could you do me a really big favour when you speak with them? Can you please try to find out if your family's Scottish roots are from the 1830s shipwreck or another incident of Scottish settlement. Because if they are from the shipwreck and your cousin has traced the family back to Aberdeen then I will know to focus my attention on that port as I search for the identity of the ship that went down off TB.

This could save me going down a real blind alley because Glasgow would be the obvious place for me to start looking as it was by far and away the biggest Scottish centre of trade and travel to and from Jamaica. Edinburgh was 2nd in size and importance, followed by Aberdeen in 3rd.

Kindest regards from Scotland this evening where we have the last snows of the year on the mountain peaks and the first spring lambs in the field.

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 06:51 pm: Edit Post

Thanks so much Tojo! I'll call Clausy tonight.

And thanks Allison for the great new photos. What a cutie!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 07:52 pm: Edit Post

Well, I just had a very interesting conversation with Clausy. He said Albert Hill, which would have been his great uncle, came over from Aberdeen, Scotland and settled in the parish of Portland. His brother, George, was in Aberdeen working in the wool industry and suffered from asthma, so he decided to come and join Albert. George came to Jamaica and ended up in Treasure Beach where he married and settled down. He is Clausy's great grandfather and is buried in the family plot.

Neither brothers were on the ship that sank off the coast of TB. Clausy remembers a story being told that Robert Burns was supposed to be sailing on the same ship as Albert Hill, but was rumored to have been "under the weather" that day and was not able to make the ship.

They do not know when George was born or when he came to Jamaica, but his son, Clausy's grandfather, was born in 1872.

Clausy also mentioned the archives in Spanish Town have very good records and may be a good source for further information.

Clausy received this information from Anthony Hill who was a navigator during WWII. He is from Treasure Beach and is now living in Canada. Unfortunately, Anthony is not in good health right now and not able to answer further questions. If anyone knows how to reach his daughter who is currently living in Australia, she may have further information and/or documentation.

James, I am not sure if this helps you out, but I remain intrigued with all this history and information coming out about the Scotland - TB link.

Thank you everyone for continuing to share your information with us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denise on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 01:29 am: Edit Post

Hi BlackPearl, i did not mention aunt Emeline for the reason that she live most of her live in Clarendon .relating to this topic(Scotland-TB link)i suggested aunt Mazie,being she had a closer tie with her father.thanks for mentioning aunt Emeline ,responding to emails and phone calls ,this will be a benefit to the the younger ones that learning of another family member.anyone wishing to discuss the family tree (Strachan)denise_powery@yahoo.co .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Family on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

Hi Ce Ce where are you living?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 03:13 am: Edit Post

Rebecca

This helps a lot, loads in fact. I was just saying to someone yesterday how amazing it is the way in which all the jigsaw pieces of the TB story keep emerging from people's family histories. Thanks v much to all involved.

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Family on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 07:15 pm: Edit Post

Hi Black Pearl, just so you know Mariah James is the right name,there is no Keith added to her name.My father call her aunt I am not trying to be rude I thought I would try to correct you take care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mandy on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 01:16 pm: Edit Post

My last name is Sutherland... As to what I know my great grand dad is from Scotland. He came to Jamaica with his two brother and they all went their separate ways. My grandfather never spoke of his father, so we know nothing.

Would be nice if we knew.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By curious on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 03:58 pm: Edit Post

What about the writer of the article Earl Moxam? Is he from the community? If so who are his relatives?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Homegirl on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 08:58 am: Edit Post

Curious,
Earl's parents are Carl and Mazie Moxam (Maas Carl and Miss Mazie) of Sandy Bank right there in Treasure Beach.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By T.B. Girl on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 07:32 pm: Edit Post

Hello Family and Black Pearl.

Who is or were the parents of Mariah James?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Famly on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 11:50 am: Edit Post

Hi TB Girl-I think Denise seem to know the roots of the family trees more than anyone else try asking her.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denise on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 05:28 pm: Edit Post

Hi TB Girl,sorry i can't help you directly with your inquiry,Mariah James parents.Me and Mariah not related ,three of her children (strachan)and my grand mother are sister and brother.I suggest you check with her daughter Mazie Strachan or her nephew Arthur James both of them reside in Billy Bay .I am in the same boat too ,my father mother maiden name Swaby ,she born and raise up in Great Bay i known she related to the Swabys in Frenchman,Billys Bay,Great Bay,Top Hill and bull savannah ,this side of my family tree kind a limpy, but i am working on it.At this point i take the opporturnity to encourage the making of a family tree,this will make it easyer for the next generation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Denise on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 02:55 pm: Edit Post

Hi Nordia,James made personal contact with the Campbells in scotland ,so its look like you will be the frist to complet your family tree.your grandmother the niece of my grandmother (on your mother side).my house close by your mom(in TB).to contact James Cant just click on previous post,he will be more then glad to give you more detailes. My email also posted. take care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Cant on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:08 am: Edit Post

Dear Nordia, Denise and everyone else.....

I'm looking at (at least) 2 phases of settlement in and around the TB area. The best known is the 1830s shipwreck which was probably the source for the cannons, one of which sits outside Jake's. I think that's the "line" that Denise is familiar with through her family history.

Another important "line" is where the Campbells most certainly fit in. That goes way back to 1700 when a Col Cambell arrived with his ship in Jamaica basically as an economic refugee following the failure of the Scots' attempt to establish a colony at Darien in Panama. This was the start of a very significant Campbell influence in the St Elizabeth area. The man himself apparently is still there!

Buried in St Elizabeth... the inscription reading,
"Here lies the Hon. John Campbell, born at Inverary, Argyllshire, North Britain, and descended of the Ancient family of Auchenbrock, when a youth he served several campaigns in Flanders. He went as Captain of the Troops sent to Darien and on his return to this Island, in 1700, he married the daughter of Col. Claiborne by whom he had several children (three, it appears). In 1718 John Black River married Elizabeth (now alive) relict of Col. Garnes. He was for many years Member of the Assembly, Colonel and Custos of St Elizabeth. In 1722 he was made one of the Privy Council. He was the first Campbell who settled in this Island, and thro' his extream generosity and assistance, many are now possessed of opulent fortunes. His temperance and great humanity have always been very remarkable. He died January 29, 1740. Aged 66 years. Universally lamented."

Whether you are directly related to him I can't say for sure. But if I was a betting man, I know where I'd place my bet!

I was in contact with a Mr Campbell from Inverary last week (there's a beautiful wee castle that has belonged to the family for many generations) and they seem to have a well established record of their family history. I'm going to look into it in detail as it's now held at a public library.

My e-mail address is cantjf@aol.com if you want to contact me directly.

Regards

James


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nordia on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 05:50 pm: Edit Post

Hi Denise thanks for the information. I saw the message that James had posted and believe that John Campbell maybe a relative as previously when I tried chasing the Campbell's family history I realized that I might be related to the John branch of Campbell‘s.

The thing is though, I am not a hundred percent sure and would love to get to the bottom of it all.

Denise can you please shine some light on me as to who you are, as I am trying to picture your face and name and can not. I am not being funny please don't take any offence it is just that I can not recalled your name.

Denise I tried sending you this mail to your personal address but was unable to so as I was informed that there is an error in the characters of the content of your mailing address , I don’t know if I had wrongly submitted the details. If you would like, you can mail me on my address at the top of this message.

Many thanks god bless hope to hear from you soon!.


Nordia


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 01:48 pm: Edit Post

We just got a PDF of an article that ran in the Scottish Sunday Post. It quotes Dr. James Cant (above) and also has a lovely pictures of some of TB's 'ginger' residents.

View the PDF
Note that it's a big file and it might download to your computer instead of showing up in the browser window. If this is the case, double click it on your computer and you should see it.

Enjoy!
-TBNet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By alice on Friday, May 30, 2008 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

Fantastic! Thanks for the pdf. It's good to see James is making head way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lisa on Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 02:42 pm: Edit Post

I Live in Aberdeen Scotland and would be happy to help find people or information that might help. i can also photograph and post photos of places or grave inscriptions etc


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DENISE on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 10:16 am: Edit Post

Hi Lisa,its nice of you to offer some help.At present are you living in Scotland, are TB?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lisa on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 06:31 pm: Edit Post

Hello Denise,
Yes I do at present live in Aberdeen Scotland and have done for 28 years, all my life although i lived in the countryside outside aberdeen up untill i was 17 then i moved to the city. I will be visiting Treasure Beach in December this year for three weeks. I travel quite a bit with work and have my own car so i can easily visit certain places and find out stuff for you.