TB Road Repair

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: TB Road Repair
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By grapevine on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 07:24 am: Edit Post

The word on the Treasure Beach main road is that a contract has been approved for it to be substantially repaired.

The contract (worth $23,974.483.98) to do work “on the road from Round Hill to Treasure Beach” has been awarded to the firm, Construction Solutions. The National Works Agency (NWA) will monitor the project.

This was announced yesterday (November 20) at the post-Cabinet press briefing at Jamaica House.

Preliminary work is to commence in December while the main construction activities are expected to begin in January.

The Round Hill segment of the project will run from Round Hill crossing to Pedro Cross, while the main Treasure Beach segment will commence just below the police station.

The work will actually be done in two phases – the first to construct drains to take the water off the road, to be followed by the resurfacing of the road.

This project is part of a $405 million allocation for road repairs to be carried out in ten parishes, under what is called a Special Flood Damage Rehabilitation Programme.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tone on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:45 am: Edit Post

I hope this really happens as it should. The roads have been so awful for so long. TB residents shouldn't be trapped by lack of road access after every big storm.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Soji O on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:25 am: Edit Post

Halleluya, It is about time. Thanks to all that makes the project posible. We complained bitterly, now lets give Thanks and watch the project begin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By rootsie114 on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 08:56 am: Edit Post

a now dem see dat de road dem want fixin dem shoulda shame a dem selves


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By beans on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

let,s not think negitive at least it seems like some thing good is about to start lets wait and see before any thing is said we may be lucky


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 03:15 pm: Edit Post


Hoping too.

Whats the 98 cents for?

Thats todays mystery question.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By japrincess on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:37 pm: Edit Post

I am so releive to hear that they are finally going to fixed the roads. I sure hope that they follow through. It would be nice to drive on good roads and not having to swing out of potholes and possibly getting into an accident.
I pray that all will go as plan.
Thank God!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mystery Question Answer on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:43 pm: Edit Post

It's for the portion of the road that will actually come into Treasure Beach.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post


You win the big prize MQA!!!

A road trip to Treasure Beach!!!

With 98 cents spending money...Congratulations!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By curious on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 05:40 pm: Edit Post

The road repair sounds great. Finally TB will have decent roads. I am curious to know what happen to the great pond situation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB GIRL on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 07:25 pm: Edit Post

I AM GLAD THE ROAD WILL BE FIXING SOON FROM ROUND HILL TO TREASURE BEACH, BUT WHAT HAPPEN ALSO TO THE ROAD FROM BEACON THROUGH BLUNTAS RIGHT DOWN TO TREASURE BEACH? I WAS DOWN IN TREASURE BEACH IN SEPTEMBER AND I HAD TO GET OUT OF MY CAR ON BLUNTAS HILL/BEACON HILL JUST FOR THE CAR TO GET THOUGH THE POT HOLES. ONCE THE THE CAR HAVE FOUR PEOPLE IN IT, THE BOTTON WAS TOUGHING THE ROAD. IT IS A NICE PLACE TO VISIT, BUT REALLY NEED A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON IT. I HOPE SOMETHING IS DONE SOON.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 07:52 am: Edit Post

We have had a few days of rain with a very heavy rain storm yesterday evening. My friend came home through Bluntas last night and said the residents of the area were out filling the gullies with rock stones and if they hadn't been doing that, she would not have been able to get her car through.

I came down from Station and the road in front of the Wards was quite bad. I could see where someone had to fill the gulles with rock stones as to be able to drive over the road.

Then when I got to just before Kingfisher Plaza, the road was flooded.

I will try to get a few pictures up today. With 5 more days of off and on rains predicted, I sure hope these road repairs happen soon!

Here are a few photos of Calabash Bay taken yesterday. Notice the color of the sky. It was shortly after this photo was taken that we got the heavy rains.

CBwaves

cbboats


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frustrated Rebecca on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 03:53 pm: Edit Post

The road just before Kingfisher Plaza has been blocked by the citizens since early this morning. We are blocking the road in protest to the lack of repair work being done.

This photo was taken early this morning.
rbcarinwater

This was taken about an hour ago.
rbafternoon

With the sky darkening and it looking like rain will fall later today, the roads are only going to get worse.

Every government official is aware of the situation down here. Letters have been written, petitions have been signed, articles have been printed in all the papers, the local news stations have given this news time, I can't tell you how many photos I have forwarded to so many persons, and yet still nothing.

I was told that when CVM and TVJ were notified of the road block this morning, they both replied by saying they were tired of covering this news story. I understand how they feel. I have even sent a selection of photos from Charlie, Emily, Wilma, and now to various government officials.

What else do we need to do?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 04:01 pm: Edit Post

This was taken in front of the Ward's house this morning. Such dedicated community members in their golden years now and having to breathe marl dust for the last 2 years. Someone should feel ashamed!

rbwards

This is just down from Station. Yep, you've seen the hole before - it's just getting bigger with every rain storm.

rbstation



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 04:51 pm: Edit Post

I just came from Kingfisher Plaza. The good news is, members of the Parish Council are now present and have just organized two loads of marl to be brought in. The grater is said to be on it's way here to spread the marl.

Thanks much for the band-aid, but let's hope a great deal more repairs follow.

marl


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 05:48 pm: Edit Post


Is this really 2006???

Ever heard about Roman roads. Some are still being driven on.

With "Cyaan Badda" as our warcry and "Dutty Wine"
our dream, what do you think can happen?

Still, I'm hopeful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 06:36 pm: Edit Post

I've just left the plaza where the tractor has arrived. He has started to spread the marl, but it is dark and with his bright headlights, the photos are useless. I will go out in the light of day tomorrow and take some photos of the spread marl.

This should be a very temporary fix. We need the roads repaired! Two years is long enough to wait!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 07:28 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca, please keep a visual record of the placement of the marl and its subsequent history.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JAMDOWN on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 09:20 pm: Edit Post

THE WATER HAVE NO WAY TO GO BECAUSE OF ALL THE STONE WALLS THAT ARE BLOCKING THE WATER SO IT JUST TAKE THE ROAD


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 09:35 am: Edit Post

This is how the road looks this morning.

mud

car

bike

caribic

Yep, a muddy mess! Every car that passed while I was standing there hit bottom on the marl.

The good news is, the tractor is still here and I heard the Parish Council is sending 7 more loads of marl down today to not only further marl up the road at the plaza, but also to marl up by the Ward's.

For this we are very grateful and we can only hope the actual repair work starts soon, as this marl is just a temporary fix and will continue to wash away with every rain fall.

So why does it always take a road block for something to finally get done?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By FEd up on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:44 am: Edit Post

People stop building those Berlins walls around your houses let the water flow into the grass.
I hope they hired some China/Japanese constutors to rebuild the roads.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JHTA Councillor Kory on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:31 am: Edit Post

I would like to say thanks to everyone that has worked so hard to make this happen, , Alot of phone calls were made yesterday to the Minister of Tourism The Hounorable Alun Assamba, and an emergency meeting was held and it was signed off by cabinet as a priority road, we were not given a date but were told that a permanent fix is to take place in the near future.Right now as we speak repairs are taking place.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:32 am: Edit Post

My American friends left Jakes on Nov 23 after one week I can't wait to hear the feed back.... this is terrible, my God where is Buchannan when he is needed. Rebecca keep the pictures coming.. politicians waste of time you all are.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:33 am: Edit Post

Poor drivers... those shocks tires... we continue to suffer the politicians continue to nothing...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 12:48 pm: Edit Post

I am happy to say the tractor has been working on the roads for the last few hours and I have heard the trucks full of marl coming in. It is currently pouring rain - so no photos for now.

Thanks for the great news Kory!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karen on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 06:40 pm: Edit Post

This situation is unbelievable -- but will hopefully soon be fixed, at least temporarily. Then, let's hope that a long-term solution can be found and implemented ASAP because we all know what happens after a temporary repair job: everything starts to deteriorate soon again, and we are left with horrible roads. (I keep thinking that if all the money that's been spent on the roads in Treasure Beach over the past 10 years or so would have been spent intelligently instead of with inferior construction, what we are seeing might only happen after a major hurricane, not a few days of rain.) No one deserves to live like this. Our tourists deserve much better. What a total embarrassment!! Thank you to Rebecca, Kory, and everyone else in Treasure Beach who are doing so much to try to turn this awful situation around. Please continue to keep us all posted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Linda on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 08:40 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca,
thanks for keeping us so well informed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 08:54 am: Edit Post

I travelled the newly marled roads last night after a heavy rain fall and they held up pretty well. They are much better than a few days ago, but just as Karen said this should be a temporary fix and not a permanent one.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that the permanent fix starts soon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

Hey Techies!

Is there a cheap binder to keep the marl in place?

Might as well improve the Band Aid.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 12:23 pm: Edit Post


Started to rain again here in Barbican 12:30 pm.

How is it in TB?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Noel on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 04:10 pm: Edit Post

Re: Cheap binder?
When we graded the public-way access road to Hikaru in Billy's Bay many moons ago, I seem to recall we sprinkled dry cement on it and wet it down. Marl+cement are the principal ingredients of concrete in Jamaica; the above is a crude make-do, but will hold a patch in place far better than just marl.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 04:14 am: Edit Post

Thanks Don. Any ole' timers know the formula for lime mortar?

I'm not suggesting we utilise this for road surfaces but wonder if there is something about
mollasses and blood that is a key to a better temporary patch that does not give under vehicle weight when wet and does not spread marl dust when dry. Without burning the limestone!

I know, you ladies would not walk on road mek out a blood! :-)

My buddy that does spray concrete construction talks about additives that increase strength considerably.

Now all that clay just underfoot...?

Hope we solve this, and when we do...SLOW DOWN!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Itching to Know on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:20 pm: Edit Post

What Don and Justice are hashing over relates to post I just fired off under the canal-construction thread. Part of my post belonged here, with the road chat. Sorry.

Yes, patch/fix/mend/maintain the marl roads, using the right magic mix, and then engineer the water/drainage problems properly, and then, everyone SLOW the heck up. Everything in TB moves at a lovely, dreamy, set-back-in-time pace, except the speed of the drivers. Jamaican drivers are quick, and know how to negotiate those curves, cows, kids, and other stuff along the roads, but slow up only for potholes because they want to protect their cars. This last bit of rant is said entirely without rancor: Jamaican drivers are what we in this country would call "crazy drivers." :D

It's all good, but what's the rush?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:18 am: Edit Post

Victoria and I visited Treasure Beach a year ago and found the roads to be in very poor condition then. We are coming back in March 2007. Glad to see everyone mobilizing and making things happen. The locals are one of the reasons we are coming back, regardless of the roads. See you in March, at Jakes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Yaadman on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:59 am: Edit Post

Good job Rebecca,Kory and Bros./Sistrens of T/Beach ,but the reality is that the people of T/Beach are suffering from POLITICAL VICTIMIZATION,how can JHTA councillor Kory get some answers yet the PEOPLES elected councillor Ebanks can get none.shame on our system.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 12:08 pm: Edit Post

Like true lovers everywhere....

Bad road not goin' stop us from our love.

Best to you Ralph and Victoria.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 12:23 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Councillor Kory for finally establishing the meaning of 'near future'.

When the last dumpling is swallowed and we stand back and admire fi wi new road the stopwatch clicks....!

END!...then count back to Nov 25th 10:31am (see above posting)

Elapsed time + time elapsed since cabinet ok would then define 'near future'

Poking fun Councillor, I'll be the one stirring the kerosine pan when wi ready!

Keep on tryin', Justice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Itching to Know on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

Yay Ralph and Victoria! Yay Justice! Some of us from the states who have fallen hopelessly in love with TB and its people don't give a rat's hiney (so goes the crude American expression) if the roads aren't straight ribbons of "fast" ashphalt. In fact, some of us who love TB pretty much exactly as it is will be driven away, revolted, if such a road should ever be laid down in idyllic TB. We go to TB in part to escape the paving over that continues apace in the states. Bring on the marl and the magic marl mix, beg borrow steal hire one good engineer - surely there's one among the TB residents - to oversee and suggest how to fix and maintain magic marl mix surfaces and manage the drainage. And let the people of TB take care of their own road biz, without having to beg from the government. They have enough skills among themselves to do that, do they not? And slow up - don't stir up so much marl dust by driving like Indie 500 drivers. :D

Perhaps someone in TB, in the vast collective music library scattered among the villages, can come up with the Talking Heads song, "Nothing But Flowers."

Carry on, good folk of TB.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:24 pm: Edit Post

Here are photos taken of the fixed road this afternoon after a rain shower.

Let's hope the permanent fix starts soon as promised.

road1

road2

road3


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 03:24 am: Edit Post

You know ItK, I always wondered why our Tourist Board did not collect more feedback from visitors.

Seems our mode of development is focused on packing them in, providing pseudo sweetness (like that one?) and never keeping our eyes off the wallets.

Not true Ms Minister?

Who want REAL sweetness raise their hands!

It's all around, hope it will not take too much of a loss for us to realise its going.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Engineering eeeediots on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:10 am: Edit Post

When will everyone understand that this is not about ROADS but about DRAINAGE!!!. Those roads would have been fine and stood up to any flood if there had been proper drainage. You could put an asphalt layer 6 feet deep but if the water has no where to go then it will simply erode it. I don't feel sorry at all for those people who built their walls near the Kingfisher Plaza...is dem cause it. Unfortunately, everyone else has to suffer for it. When I was a child and before those houses were built, this problem never existed. I also hope that when they decide to fix the road from the police station down they will look at the natural course that the water takes and put in the correct engineering structures to take the water away from the road surface. Amen


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By canada on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:49 am: Edit Post

Why everyone in Treasure Beach feels the need to put up those beautiful stone wall around there houses. What happen to the days when there was wire fences? water use to drain properly. All of us who knows treasure Beach knows that half of these areas are ponds by nature.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By beans on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 05:55 pm: Edit Post

ENGINEERING. its avious that you envy those people for there house how could you make such a statment. what if you were in their position? what would you do we all should be proud of our little treasure beach and let the people do good think positive my friend peace out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By T.B. on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

ENGINEERING.YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RITE EVERY BODY WHO LIVE IN TREASURE BEACH KNOW THAT THOSE AREA SHOULD NEVER BLOCK OFF WITH STONE WALLS.WHERE ARE THE MAYOR AND COUNCILOR THOSE STONE WALLS NEED TO TEAR DOWN HOW CAN YOU BLOCK THE DRAIN AND NOW YOU GOING TO BLOCK ROAD STUPID


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BUFFY on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 07:51 pm: Edit Post

I AGREE TO THE STATEMENT PERTAINING TO THE STONE WALLS WE DO NEED PROPER DRAINAGE ARE ELSE WE ALL GONNA FLOOD OUT SORRY THATS THE TRUTH.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robin on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

It is a total shame on the govt,of Jamaica for the way our infrastructure is treated the persistent problem with the roads being ignored in Treasure Beach is one that can be found all over Jamaica i do know of many communities that had to resort to various means to get attn.to the plight of bad roads farmers that cant get their crops outtaxi drivers suffering from out of these areas i personally have been stoped by guys out on the street collecting money to buy cement in Waterford to fix the main roads this has to stopand there must be proper road building and maintainance program in place .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tone on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

"Itching to Know" your 11/28 post was more than a little troubling to me. You say "Carry on, good folk of TB," but 'carrying on' has to do with being able to travel safely and easily over the roads. The 'magic marl' you praise so highly causes more problems than it solves ... asthma attacks and other respiratory problems. The oil used to pack the marl down gets over everything and is surely as unhealthy as the marl itself. We don't need poison-dust roads, we need actual roads. I'm sorry that your idyllic picture of TB includes a dirt-rut path, but we have to live here and want to live well, not as a fantasy picture for the tourists. We need roads. Real roads. Paved roads that have proper drainage built in so that they will not wash away under a big storm.

Don't worry, Itching, there are still plenty of tropical places in the world where they have dirt roads and no plan to change them (just read an article about an island off the coast of Belize that brags about its dirt roads ... but of course, the bragging was being done by a tourist, I wonder how the residents feel about those roads).

And yes, "Nothing but Flowers" is a great song ... but I don't see David Byrne eliminating the fruits of modern life from his existence. He still lives in the city, still travels over good roads. Why should we 'good folk' of TB be expected to put up with less? We're talking about a simple road, not an 8-lane super highway.

Sorry for the rant, but I tire of people from foreign telling us we should cherish our 'quaint, rustic' roads because that fits with their picture of our pastoral, third-world lives.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ooh BOY on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 09:38 pm: Edit Post

Tone ,
Thanks for the "RANT", it's refreshing to see someone stand up for "us" here in T/Beach instead of catering to outsiders, who plan for T/Beach to suit their desires only.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Abby on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 04:23 pm: Edit Post

I've been in Hawaii and St. Martin many times, and even though those are islands, the roads are GREAT there. As opposed to Itching to Know, I agree with Tone about the roads in TB; they are horrible. What's so charming about potholes? What's so nice about getting flat tires? About not being able to walk on the roads after a rain? Lots who give their opinions here are right. It IS a drainage problem, and it is ALSO a construction problem. Marl with oil and maybe a bit of asphalt is cheap, but it's plain dumb; what civil engineering school teaches that as a good way to build lasting roads?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By IslandRefugee on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 08:01 pm: Edit Post

I am not an engineer but I work for an engineering/architectural firm in the US that specializes in storm and groundwater drainage improvements. The firm has extensive experience in providing accurate assessments and recommendations for road and storm drainage improvements. The name of the firm is Burgess & Niple, Inc. and we have served more than 5,000 clients in the US and abroad.

I have been following this thread with much interest and will leave our international contact information with my hosts, Viking and Stephanie Genus for consideration by appropriate community leadership.

Burgess & Niple has a tradition of innovative design and responsive service in the US and developing countries. We would be happy to translate our experience into a practical solution that will work to benefit your community now and years from now.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Itching to Know on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 05:50 pm: Edit Post

Tone - Humble apologies; you're right: it's easy for us tourists to shoot off our mouths about your problems. I am just a fan of unpaved roads, un-asphalted roads, since they do tend to bring their own problems. In the state of Vermont, we have lots of gravel roads, and they are very well maintained, and have lots of charm, with trees arching over the roads, shading the roads (not unlike bamboo alley). The road agents in towns which maintain their gravel roads, say much of good maintenance is in managing the water. I only meant to suggest that good engineering, good drainage, and carefully thought-out "drainage improvements" might go a considerable distance in helping the situation with the roads in TB. Whatever the final solution to good drainage, whatever surface is laid down, the roads need to be "crowned" properly to allow for water to run off to the sides, into ditches that drain somewhere.

P.S. By the way (and I don't mean to sound defensive), I live on a gravel road, and we who live along this road will fight tooth and nail to keep the road gravel, though there are some who clamor for asphalt. But our road crew maintains the roads well, grading and crowning, and tending to the ditches, and in "mud season" when the road can get washboard-y, we know to slow up, we know where the potholes are, and avoid them. We also observe the changes in "rural" character along roads where they have paved over the gravel. Mixed blessing, those shining strips of asphalt laid down in rural areas. Cars drive at ungodly speeds, and they make a racket when the tires strike the pavement. If a gravel road is built properly, they will serve a community well. Perhaps there's a shortage of good gravel in Jamaica?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G-Man on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 05:27 pm: Edit Post

Can't blame the walls alone. Walls work both ways, if they were not there then wouldn't the water flow into people's homes? The solution has to involve proper drainage of roads with channels to take the water away to the ponds or the sea. I remember in the late eighties the Great Bay road was completely paved with proper runoffs. The work was funded by the UNDP I think or some other UN agency. It was a job well done. Along came the water people, dug up the roads to lay pipes and never repaired the road properly. The rest is history.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tone on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 03:21 pm: Edit Post

Hey, Itching, we're all good. Maybe I shouldn't have come down so hard on your head. This is just a subject close to my heart (how many flat tires, how much did that broken axle cost me, how close did I once come to an accident with some school children). I've been to Vermont, but haven't seen your gravel roads. I'm curious to see how that works, and will have to check them out if I get back there. It's hard to imagine gravel being a solution for TB, a place that sees plenty of storm rain, plenty of flooding (at least in these last years). Can you post a couple of pictures?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Itching to Know on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

Tone: Drag to post photos. But here's one VT country road photo, taken in autumn:

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_pages/0354-0609-0311-1946.html

I think if you google in:

photos "vermont dirt roads"
you will get a mess of them. :D

also might come up with some if you google:

photos "new hampshire dirt roads"

photos not in quotation marks, the rest enclosed in marks.

Let me know if that doesn't work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tee on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 04:37 pm: Edit Post

If the roads looked like that in TB I don't think people would be complaining :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Itching to Know on Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 05:27 pm: Edit Post

Tone -

p.s. I think if you google

New Hampshire dirt roads

and then click on "images" over the space where you typed that in, you will see a few typical New England dirt roads - pretty, and if the right materials are used, and if the drainage is managed properly, they have a lot more charm and visual beauty than asphalt roads. Would you agree? :D

ItK


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tone on Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

I agree with Tee: if TB roads looked like the one in that photo, we wouldn't have any complaints. I'll definitely have to make a point of checking out these roads in person the next time I'm able to go to Vermont or New Hampshire.

Hey, can we hear from the people who've gone up to VT with the farm worker program? What do you think of those roads? Would they hold up in a place like TB?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Itching to Know on Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 06:23 pm: Edit Post

Tone and Tee:

Drainage, drainage, drainage. :D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By New Englander on Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 05:53 pm: Edit Post

Dirt roads in NH, VT and ME are either private
roads and maintained by the landowners or landowners' association, or if public, by the town
with taxes specifically designated for the upkeep of same. Jamaican taxes do not go to local parishes on a regular annual basis for road upkeep and local parishes do not maintain road crews let alone roads. Having lived on dirt roads in the past in New England and having taken many backcountry dirt roads in all weather in Vermont, the roads are still crappy, unless you're driving an SUV or a truck. So I'd not extol them as 'rural back-to-the-land bliss' by any means.Jamaicans pay taxes without representation or return in services, unless the local politico
is involved. Now that Buchanan is not running
again, the base of power for St.Elizabeth is
moving to Black River, with its own concerns
that do not involve TB. Without a local powerful
politico able to produce more than Buchanan ever did, little will change.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robin on Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 07:31 pm: Edit Post

Its plain and simple where ever the road exist what ever its constructed of it is not self maintained and there must be what is called preventitive maintainance that is why you see crews all over the road way and bridiges during the summer months doing necessary work to keep them in the best of condition and not wait until they fall apart entirely ,where i was born & grew up in manchester in front of my parents home we used to take our own marl to fill the pot hole in front of our home because the govt . would just ignore it for long periods so i do feel bad for the folks of TB. & any other community that has to live with this ,open up the lines and you will see its all over JA.this is going on & i do wonder if any one in authority is seeing the pain of this community crying out for effective & long term help to bring this to an end.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By But yes, Virginia, we have a sports park on Friday, December 08, 2006 - 02:52 am: Edit Post

From today's JAMAICA GLEANER:


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TEMPORARY RELIEF FOR SLIPE
Treasure Beach residents live in hope
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BYLINE: GARFIELD MYERS, Editor-at-Large
South Central Bureau

SANTA CRUZ, ST.ELIZABETH: The St.Elizabeth
Parish Council has moved to "temporarily"
alleviate bad road conditions at Slipe in
the parish, following the latest in a series
of demonstrations by residents.

At the same time, residents of Treasure Beach,
at the other end of South-West St.Elizabeth
are hoping that reports that the government
had placed the badly scoured road through
their community on the priority list for repairs
will prove correct.

Kenroy Steward, the council's superintendent of
roads and works, told the Observer West that work has started in Slipe to "grade and roll" the
worst sections of the road, following Tuesday's
domonstration.

Police said residents stood along the Santa Cruz to Lacovia main road, just ouside Lacovia, blocking traffic for hours before dispersing, after they were addressed by Black River deputy
mayor Shirley Myers.

The deputy major assured the protesters that the council would use money from its limited funds to provide temporary improvements.

Last month, the protesters took to the streets at least twice, gaining reward when councillors from opposite side of the political fence agreed to work together to get lasting improvements to the road, which all agree is in a deplorable state.

Stallyn Brown (JLP, Santa Cruz Division) and Kern Smalling (PNP, Black River) said they plan
to take a resolution to the December 14 council meeting, urging an allocation from the Equalisation Fund for the road's repair.

Established in 1997, the fund contains 10 per cent of revenue collected from property taxes islandwide. Subject to approval by the parish council and final approval by the Local Government Ministry, money can be accessed
from the fund for infrastructure projects. It is
estimated repair of the four-to-five mile long Slipe road will cost about $15 million.

In the wake of a succession of storms/hurricanes that affected the island in 2005 and 2005, the St.Elizabeth Parish Council estimated the cost of repairing 'secondary' roads and drains at $500
million, and petitioned central government accordingly. Parish council chairman and mayor of
Black River Frank Witter said that to date only $21 million has been received.

Steward said yesterday he was hopeful that the temporary grading and rolling, "plus the filling in of depressions", will allow Slipe residents
to "move a little more easily until we can get the funds to do a proper, permanent job."

He confirmed that in Treasure Beach, marling of a section of the road two weeks ago had provided only "very limited" relief, largely because of a blocked drain keeping water on the road during
and after rains.

Treasure Beach residents, as well as the JLP's councillor for the Pedro Plains Division, Vernon Ebanks, and Steward said the drain was blocked
by a resident who built a perimeter wall.

Observer West sources said that the government
has designed the Treasure Beach road as a "priority" for early repairs.

Information Minister and Member of Parliament
for South-West St.Elizabeth Danny Buchanan could not be reached for comment on the issue yesterday.

Two weeks ago, residents of Treasure Beach, a fast growing tourist destination, blocked the road through the community to protest its
condition.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Friday, December 08, 2006 - 11:27 am: Edit Post

A public servant in hiding?

C'mon Danny yu-a Buck!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 12:15 pm: Edit Post

Is it possible to see what the roads are like now?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ay caramba on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 11:12 pm: Edit Post

You guys should set up some sort of "tourist environmental fund" if one is not already implemented, collect funds and start doing the work yourselves like the "LITTLE RED HEN" did and stop waiting on these politicians.They dont have to drive on the roads so they dont really care.Come on, if you lived in a better area with nicer roads would that be your concern at all? Think about it.. The average individual is going to say:"I dont care, I dont live there".Put hearts,talents and minds together and get it done!!!Be your own boss, Be independent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 07:42 am: Edit Post

Just look at the photos posted on November 28. That is still the condition of the road in front of Kingfisher Plaza, especially after a rain storm.

And the marl that was dumped in front of the Ward's house to fill the ruts caused by the rain is starting to follow the marl that was dumped in front of the Ward's house to fill the ruts caused by the rains from the previous time, and the marl that was dumped in front of the Ward's house to fill the ruts caused by the rains from the previous time, and the marl . . .

All this marl is being washed down the road and off in a field.

So in other words, no progress has been made as of yet. They did promise us they would start repairs in December and it is just the 12th today . . .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robin on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 07:50 pm: Edit Post

To Aycaramba your idea of a Tourist Environmental fund is noted i am just wondering what should happen to all the taxes collected from home owners and the various business in and around TB. also the rest of the island i would like to know if Ocho Rios and Montego Bay had to do so to get roads built and maintained we are talking about the basic needs of the citizen of Jamaica good roads light and water these are not luxzury items that any one should suffer for at the hands of do nothing govt.or politician


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justice on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 10:31 am: Edit Post


Public Servants?

Now the public are their servants!

No, maybe victims!?

Better soon come!!!

Yeah from who?

Remember Self Sufficiency people.

The better has to come from WE.

A thousand curses on "cyaan badda"