Thieves targeting unacuppied foreigner homes in The Beacon and Bluntas area lately.Has the police stepped up patrol in those area yet at least 5 homes has been broken into.

It is getting harder and harder to justify building on my prime piece of land in Old Wharf.

me live a great bay dem thief me goat three bicycle four water drum and two eglo me na worry god a god then me hear dem brake in mazie place dem steal phone computer and other plus baby food

Yes, more people should instead support established business when they visit and work out deals for long term stays rather than think it will work out more to build their own place.

Potential of theft is one of MANY MANY concerns, unforeseen issues and costs that come with having a property you are not residing at 100% of the time.

Police patrols not going to stop that kind of thievery.

What a shame that person or person's bring to a great community. Technology is out there and affordable to be a witness to these crimes. To late for those that own these homes but not for others.
Police can't prevent nor can they stop it. Community has to come together and deal with this problem. Its yours to protect, nurture and enrich and keep safe. Someone knows, someone always knows that is my experience. Your a pretty tight knit community. If you do know, hope you have the decency to speak up. This can and will hurt the community, it already has. Sad to read this.

Well said love TB.

ME want to go home to, but can't make up my mind!

The ONLY WAY to get RID of the stolen property, is for them to EAT IT: Other wise, it IS WAITING to be discovered....AT a certain LOCATION.

ASK and YOU SHALL be GIVEN, the NAME of who it IS?

If YOU DOUBT YOUR-SELF, how can I TRUST YOU???

A GUILTY CONSCIENCE, NEEDS NO AC-CUSER.

This kind of behavior is so infair, people should be able to own or rent wherever they feel like. We work hard for our stuff while some just plan to steal. Be aware technology monitoring system coming to TB.

medat {edited by TBNet} so if me come a treasure beach and c a place for sale me no fe bey it that why no stranger never open a bisness in treasure beach and it last for long lets get togadher and build our community stop the bad mind please I live here and will go down if we keep up the bad mind ways we all jamaican

Technology monitoring system would be a good idea but trust me, the thieves know how to bypass that also. Stealing and break-ins are a common occurence worldwide. There is a great depression going on almost everywhere. Look at the great USA? She too is going through a rough period and people seem to think that being there or anywhere else abroad is like being in Heaven. Everyone is going through difficult times and it's a sin to see some people who can get out there and make a living somewhere, somehow, just laze around and wait for an opportune time to rob and steal from other people who are doing their utmost to keep their heads above water and live a comfortable life.Don't think that because people are abroad they are actually picking up money or that money grow on trees. The only money that you could actually pick up in the US, once upon a time, was a few pennies here and there, but trust me, that does not happen anymore. A job is a job. Get up and do something with your lives instead of stealing. Go plant corn, and melon or ask someone to give you a seat in their boat so you can learn how to fish. In the past I have seen men doing house cleaning to make an honest living. Nothing is wrong with that. None of us are too good to work a job despite how lowly it might be.

u open a shop dem bad mine u open abar dem bad mine u open a restaurant dem bad mind u and dem cant open nothing dash wha dem thing dea and lets build the thing uno see the place ago down look pan de road god bless u all

me live a great bay born and grow now me a 70 year old a long time me a tell the the distric to stop those kind of living if dem did lisson dem wouldn't have to steal some one would give them some work every bisness open is good for the distric this is Jamaica u cant tell where to open bisness we a the same Jamaican big up great bay most of the are so wonderfull bless u all

Sal, not trying to bad mind anyone at all. Just saying thief is one of MANY problems one gets into when they buy a property in a FOREIGN COUNTRY they do not even live in most of the time.

There are a lot more issues people tend not to think about and they add up.

Not trying to bad mind a soul, wish more people could invest here. Fact is most foreigners love the place so much they want this. Then they buy a place.

Buying a place is a lot of fun especially when they get into family land, dead lef land, and straight up it nah even belong to the seller land.

Ok, so they find honest seller. Title? Well registered title hard to come buy and cost plenty.

Alright then, buy land, get title (after that 6 month to 1 year wait on title).

Build on it now, sound so easy when you have the money, nuh true?
Ha, we know how that go. Better be RIGHT there and I mean RIGHT there the ENTIRE TIME.

Allright, when you deh back a foreign, who a go watch your place? At what cost?

Think you can offset the cost by renting rooms, hmm, even MarBlue is on this site complaining about low occupancy, and now you have just added another competitor to the market. Harder still.

Just being REAL, not bad mind. I wish more and more people could invest and build and come to our community, it would help everyone. But as it is now, people who love the place may be better off patronizing it more often instead of loving it so much they feel like they must own a piece of it cause that end up end the vacation and put reality into check and reality in Jamaica not always so nice.

yes but me a no foreigner me me born and grow pon de rock me no need no visa fe come ya one love medat

I have been coming to Jamaica many years now. After a few visits, I knew that when I retire, I would like to spend winter "pon da yard".
However, after a short time I realized it would be better to rent a place, then to buy one.
Don't have to worry about thieves nor the government complicated confusing process of buying property !
ONE LOVE !!
Mike

Yardy, your post is a bit strange. Who is it then? I don't doubt myself, you can trust me, you can trust us.

Crime is always present no matter where you go but the the focus of the crime is in TB.

Ok, so people steal and people buy stolen property or trade for it. Drugs (cocaine) would be my guess unless the Oxycontin is in the area if it is God help this community. Crack cocaine is bad but Oxycontin (Synthetic Heroin) is far worse. My experience is from two friends and trying to help them get off and away from, awful stuff. Helped one kick a cocaine habit only to see him take up Oxycontin. His family and I was his community, with that support he's been drug free for about 8 months after 4 years of using.

Community support and honesty will find out who or whom is doing the stealing. Take care of each other. Blessed

Thieves slip up and leave traces as to who.
Hope its resolved very soon.

This whole idea of being "bad minded" is just a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature.The sooner we realize this the better off we will all be:Human nature is not to be trusted because it is as the saying goes;"tore up from the floor up" or in other words:Human nature is a fallen nature and stealing and such behavior is just the types of things that has always happen and will always happen as long as people is walking around in such natures.That being said we all have a choice, some people choose to steal and such while others choose not to.

How is oxycotin worse than crack cocaine, may i ask?
Please do not try to paint the picture that crack cocaine is somehow less harmful to the individual and the community. Crack cocaine, poverty, corruption, mental illness, are all very real and present problems in jamaica today just as they were 20 years ago. TB is no exception. In that regard, i think the problems have gotten worse.
Finally, some passion in the forum again. Mek a thief come inna mi yard, mek we run them! We don't call police when thief come we deal with them first hand.
Final thought, legalize the industrial, medical cannabis industry just as other progressive countries have. I guess the people are not suffering enough otherwise they would demand change! Nuff economy from hemp! NUFF!

Defensible Space & Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design (CPTED):

In the Architectural Design & Urban Planning fields, these were some of the analytical & strategic explorations, which when it came right down to the nitty-gritty looked at pragmatic & imaginative ways, in residential concerns, to tap into criminal psychology, so as to keep the burglars (tiefs) and property de-facers at bay.

In the Treasure Beach area, I believe this "Break-in" thread is mainly discussing absentee home (& villa) owners. Can we assume, for the sake of argument, that those home owners and renters, who have a custodian living in a cottage on the property have been more or less immune from burglaries? Or is the nature of the bandalus scoping out their opportunities that their reconnaissance ("casing da joint") lets them know the comings and goings of even these seemingly protected properties?

Back to the Ideas ingrained in Defensible Space & CPTED.
So, how does CPTED work in practice? By what mechanism can architectural features of a space increase feelings of safety and, subsequently, decrease crime?

The six main concepts...are territoriality, surveillance, access control, image/maintenance, activity support and target hardening. Applying all of these strategies is key when trying to prevent crime in any neighborhood crime ridden or not....Wiki

CPTED theory also suggests that crime prevention increases when people can distinguish neighbors from strangers. (Psychology Today)

The most obvious tools, locally, in need of hardening & re-enforcing, but looking for IDEAS that won't give your haven the look of a fortress:

• Landscaping:...offering or diverting concealment for criminals...tough prickly (macca) cactus/plants near windows; reducing hiding places. Fortunately for the homeowners, but unfortunately for "crime prevention" many TB "back yards" face the sea, accessible to "intruders", or hillside entries, or properties absent even scant street traffic...inviting the "curious" & offering escape routes.

• Lighting & Deserted Areas: Light motion Sensors (awareness of "blind spots" & height/prevention for light bulbs being disabled), and even timers, at random intervals, lighting interiors. (a suspect recommendation, when JPS billing robs the household budget of such great proportions.)

• Shoulder-Level Fencing/Boundaries with Locking Gates: rambling or climbing thorny plants next to fences to discourage intrusion, but not discourage social interaction between neighbours

• "Shared" Closed Circuit TV Surveillance

• Easily Entered Doors & Windows:
Target-hardening often leads to limitation on the use, access, and overall enjoyment of the hardened target. In addition, the traditional approach tends to overlook the opportunities for natural access control and surveillance....selective "decorative" grill-ing. (what a potentially ugly, cooped-in existence!)

J'ca Alcor Windows: Tief Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls9eT6MPh6I

• Disguised Built-in Safes or Safe Rooms for Stored Valuables
(TV's/Electronics/Documents etc)

• The Presence of a Snarling Dog...Trained to be quiet when "Danger" Subsides (or motion-activated Canine-Barking App) & Alarm Wailers
(if your neighbours and Neighbourhood Watch committees are clued-in on how to re-set.)

Even best laid Plans, like fences, can have holes in them through which to scramble or burrow. It is hoped that we never reach a point of desperation in which profiling or suspicion of the "stranger" leads to any form of vigilantism.

QUEST::Are there Neighbourhood Watch meetings planned for the community to spread the sentiments that "It takes a Village to protect one another", and "we are our brother's/sister's keepers..."?

Psychology Today Link: Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ienvironment/201304/thinking-about-crime-prevention -through-environmental-design

Wikipedia: CPTED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_prevention_through_environmental_design

Research into criminal behavior shows that the decision to offend or not to offend is more influenced by cues to the perceived risk of being caught than by cues to reward or ease of entry. Certainty of being caught is the main deterrence for criminals not the severity of the punishment so by raising the certainty of being captured, criminal actions will decrease. Consistent with this research, CPTED based strategies emphasise enhancing the perceived risk of detection and apprehension....However, those criminals who are under the influence of drugs or alcohol will not even notice the environment that surrounds them while they are committing crimes. Surveillance, a fence, and houses facing towards other houses' front doors would not cross the criminals mind at all if under the influence of any substance...Criminals don't want their job to be hard, if it was hard they wouldn't do it. The more difficult it is to commit a crime in certain areas, the less crime will occur....Maintenance is an expression of ownership of property. Deterioration indicates less control by the intended users of a site and indicate a greater tolerance of disorder.(The "Broken Window Theory")
-Wikipedia

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
-Benjamin Franklin

This is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. Are you suggesting that you are going to take the laws into your own hands and beat a bwoy if him try to rob your property? If that is the case, then good luck to you but be weary of him getting you first.

Those people who STEAL and smoke Cocaine, habit-u-ally, FEELS VERY IMPORTANT. One make YOU develop a HARD HEART. And the other let YOU SEE ILLUSIONS then, KILL YOUR BODY. I DO NOT DRINK Pepsi, or coke. (my personal choice) Mango-Nectar, cheers!

Love TB, if YOU LOOK in-tent-ly, LISTEN in-tently, YOU should LEARN WISELY.

Remember, BEFORE the ACTION OCCURED, the INTENT was already PLANNED OUT, IN the HEART. What YOU HEARD this morning, was DONE last night? In the dark, IS WHEN the goons COME-OUT to play---AT Sun-rise, IS WHEN THEY WILL RUN AWAY?


Love TB, some body KNOW WHO IT IS? It may be their OWN FAMILY member. ARE YOU willing to PRISON YOUR OWN family member.? They may be ben-e-fit-ing from it, TO-GETHER.

The Tele-vision news reported that thieves stole some Vehicle(s) Tires and is WAITING for the right time to sell BUYERS. Some hard worker(s) properti-es, will be paying for thieves Cheese-Cake. ( LAW BREAKERS, with-out CONSCIENCE.)

As the SAYING GOES "what GOES AROUND, COMES BACK AROUND."

All it takes to CATCH a MOUSE, IS a SMALL PIECE of CHEESE. (hope YOU catch that ONE.)

@ MeDat~ MEH!

Would never want to paint anyone with either of the drugs I've mentioned, there both bad. Bad for the user bad for the community bad for the world.
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yes man dem thief me dubble door igloo in great bay a white large one some one in great bay know the thief say some thing before him thief u the igloo I used to to send my kids to school now I cant bey one

A "beggar" will always have his dignity !
A "thief" loses ALL !!
ONE LOVE !!
Mike

Reason wit me, I very much agree on legalization of cannabis and hemp. I would like to respond on why I view it as worse than, which is based on my own personal experiences but this is not the topic. With respect, another thread as not to take away from the matter being discussed.
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Love that quote MikeyMike. It is always better to beg than to steal. I once had a helper who would beg your eyes out of your head. One day I was so tired of the begging I turned to her and asked her why she beg so much. Her response was that she would prefer to beg than to thief. Ever since I have loved and respected that woman.