Just noticed that Jakes is no longer listed under the heading "places to stay". What happened?

mainerfromaway, maybe this is simply a business decision by one or the other that needs no explanation? Like, if the Yellow Pages stop advertising for a certain company, do you call them and ask why? I think asking this is beyond your need to know. No disrespect, but why does it really matter? Jakes is GREAT, TBNET is GREAT.

The Where to Stay page only shows paying advertisers. Jakes asked us to remove their advertising so we did.

-TBNet

Curious about how much it costs to advertise a "place to stay". I promise not to blow this into something it's not.

Basically we charge US$15 a month, with a 10% discount for paying a year in advance. We think this is low enough to allow anyone in the area to advertise here. If you know of anyone who would like to take advantage of this offer, please contact contact Rebecca here or at 876-965-0126 or 876-789-1239 with any questions or to set up an appointment to start the ad.

Here's the price list in full:

Pricing for an ad on TB.Net

The cost for a link ad to your own website is a one-time set up fee of $25 US and a monthly fee of $15 US.

The cost for a one-page ad is a one-time set up fee of $50 US and a monthly rate of $15 US.

With this one-page ad, you can have an additional page of 6 photos. The one-time set up fee for this page is $70 US and your monthly fee for the one page ad along with the photo page would be a total of $18 US.

All ads receive a 10% discount if you pay for a year in advance. Minimum monthly payment is 3 months in advance.

We can arrange to take photos for you at a cost of $50 US per photo.

A 50% deposit must be made before work on the ad proceeds.


-TBNet

Thanks to TBNet for your response. To mnken, whoever your are, since I am a regular visitor to TB and to Jakes, I am offended by your response!

mnken...as a Real Estate agent (you have revealed this in previous postings), you must realize that transactions, here in our forum, are a 2-way street exposed to the sanitizing "light of day" (transparency). So that when mainefromaway makes an inquiry about a prime institution in TB, those motives should not be addressed with a hint of "mind your own business", when the thriving business vitality of this community is of "existential" concern.

JAKES not advertising in the Where to Stay Link, especially at the low prices quoted, makes the mind wonder Whah Gwaan.
• Are they so successful in their occupancy, popularity and focused advertising that their market research tells them that TB.Net doesn't aid to appreciate their brand?

• Does Going It Alone set Jakes apart...distinguished from the rest of the the competing properties (hotels; villas; guest houses)?

• A simple budgeting decision to prioritize their mission and goals.

These are some, but not all the curiosities, that locals and visitors might be interested in exploring about an "institution" which many regard as the unofficial meeting place (around the well) and catch-up spot for miles around.
Nothing wrong with the frivolity of Inquiring Minds Would Like to Know...with no guarantees that answers are forthcoming or will ever see the light of day...Busyness...Mind Yu!

Gosh, mnken said TB is great and Jakes is great and said Jakes needs to offer no explanation for where or why they choose to spend their advertising money. I have read mnken's response several times and can see no reason whatsoever mainerfromaway could possibly be offended. Pray tell, what am I missing?

BREDS and Jakes have a close relationship. I know TB.net will continue to publish whatever BREDS sends them even if JAKES chooses not to advertise but isn't this maybe taking advantage of a good thing? This is my own opinion.

Jakes is doing a lot of things alone these day because they are no longer part of Island Outpost. They are also in the midst of being closed for a six week period. This makes me wonder why they feel they do not need the business TBNET might bring to them. The cost of advertising on TBNET does not seem all that much and also appears to be the way this site is supported for all types of discussions. I could even go so far as to say even if an establishment is full and needs no business that this is a way to support the community from the standpoint of allowing free discourse. Many of the conversations on here are not of interest to me but are of interest to others. Letting TBNET down financially means not supporting the community "newspaper" because there are things that needs to get out to people who live there and people who want more information on what is happening in Treasure Beach.

Something keeps bothering me about all the fuss being made about Jake's advertising on this site. Some have suggested it is because they are fully booked and do not need additional rentals. Based upon the fact that the owner of Jake's is attempting to move the Treasure Beach community's tourist rentals from the current 25% occupancy to 50% occupancy within the next five years, this seems like a stretch of the imagination. Though the 25% figure is not said to be that of Jake's, it would be hard to imagine they are doing four times as well as the average hotel, villa or guest house in Treasure Beach. Please see the posting below from this site and form your own conclusions.

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By Stu Ward on Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

Regional Sports As Educational-Cultural-Touristic-Economic Stimulus?

Regarding the efforts of "local and international agencies "... collaborating to host the Jamaica Soccer Cup Tournament in Treasure Beach, St Elizabeth, between August and July 2013... Executive director of the Jamaica Soccer Cup Tournament, Jason Henzell, said that although residents had not yet been fully sensitised, they were aware and supportive of the overall sports tourism strategy."

Henzell said the spin-off effect would be the generation of income in the parish for transport operators, educational institutions that would be used as dormitories, hotels, restaurants, and attractions.

He added that the initiative is part of the strategy to "move the annual occupancy from 25 per cent to 50 per cent in the next five years within the Greater Treasure Beach area".

Gleaner Link:
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120915/western/western5.html

The assumption, here, is that Breds has or will keep the community "in the loop" about these unfolding developments...no hush-hush.

We will be down there soon and were hoping for pizza and some yummy conch chowder at Jack Sprat. Is it closed and if it is when will it be open again.

OMG L. James! Why is no one giving any of the other establishments a hard time about not advertising here? "Letting TBNet down financially"? Really? Why the guilt trip on Jakes alone? This is absurd. Why are they always under the microscope? This is soooo silly...

Thank you 'don't understand'. You seem to Get It. mainerfromaway, whoever you are, I too am a regular to TB, so I am unsure why that gives you an advantage to 'be offended'. As I said, just because someone does not choose to use a particular method to advertise does not mean something is up. Maybe there is nothing to read between the lines? Again I will use my Yellow Pages example. If Jakes chose to suddenly decide not to advertise in the Yellow Pages, would you seem as concerned? Would you call the Yellow Pages and ask why? And do you think it would be responsible for them to tell you along with the rest of the world? Come on! Why would you not ask Jakes this question rather than TB Net on a public forum? What would you expect them to say? Especially in an open forum on what I feel is a personal business decision? You seem to fail to understand that "Places to Stay" is a form of advertising. It costs money. It is a business. There are MANY places to stay in TB that do not adverise on this site! I do not know nor care about any profit that this site generates, if any. But there are people who run this site that are afilliated with Treasure Tours and the hotels listed in Places to Stay. And that is cool! It is called free enterprise! Very astute planning really. And Stu...knowing what a very smart guy you are, I am surprised at your comment. I am also surprised that you did not highlight in red and blue your points. Why would anyone want to put TB Net on the spot to explain why a certain business is no longer adverising? You can be transparent all you want Mr. Stu, but it is really none of anyones business why the advertising has been severed. And ya know, I have been on both sides of the fence. I am apalled why no matter what Jakes does there is critcism. Why is that?

For the record, while we appreciate all of our advertisers, no local businesses are under any obligation to advertise here. Some do, don't and each has their own reasons.

We are happy to be the online place people and groups use to share information about Treasure Beach. We offer this as a free service for the community with no strings attached, besides asking our visitors to follow our posting guidelines to ensure civility and respect towards one another.

-TBNet

Jack Sprat is open so come and enjoy the good food!

Thank You T.B. Net and Rebecca for this wonderful forum. I check this sight daily to feel "In Touch" and can hardly wait for my next trip there.I also look forward to a Veggie Pizza at Jack Sprat;

Bless.

Jakes, Jack Sprat and the Sports Park are at hands length to the Plan that the community is still waiting to have published. They will benefit from the first fruits. Which will hopefully manifest.

"...although residents had not yet been fully sensitised, they were aware and supportive of the overall sports tourism strategy."

Is there a head planner? Will they encourage other forms of development or does everything flow from this head to the sensitised?

Inspire-Train-Empower...Big Ups to Breds/Jakes and all the sponsors and supporters with a VISION for community values, discipline, ambitions and seeking out diverse paths to a sustainable prosperity.

2 VIDEOS: Breds Treasure Beach Foundation...Basketball Camp
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsVyVzpKqvQ&list=PL2A7EA09287E2F5B6&index=1&feature=plpp _video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgrCzDtUuw&feature=autoplay&list=PL2A7EA09287E2F5B6

Congrats, Breds, on these heartwarmingly edited videos...the truth of character and the recognition of a caring love affair with this Place shines through.


QUOTED: "Jamaica Land We Love...Jamaica Land We Love. Time past we couldn't mix up together, and now we ALL together. We ALL are ONE through the power of the Almighty."

Last time I ate a pizza at jacksprat the dough had too much flour in it.

I could say here we go again. Someone else will say it so I don't need to. All this comes from MORE than an innocent question about why Jakes wasn't advertising on this site.

No one thinks that Jakes and Mr. Henzell have not done good for Treasure Beach. Even people who have never stayed at Jakes or eaten at Jakes or bought a Red Stripe from them. We have never stayed there, but we have bought our fair share of meals and drinks there over the years.

My wife and I have discussed the Jakes situation. We have read and heard some of the less than kind remarks made about them and Mr. Henzell. [edited by TB.Net]

We also think that no one would say anything about any other establishment stopping advertising here, but if Jakes wants to be perceived IN THE COMMUNITY as a leader then we believe they should do their best to patronize community resources like TBNet, just as they would want people in the community to patronize them. A community stays strong when people bother to take care of each other and buy from each other.

Everyone- knock it off and go enjoy treasure beach! Geez!

..and communicate plans that affect all openly and clearly.

I too big up Jakes and Jason. I enjoy Jack Sprat and Jakes and think the Sports Park a great idea but the development of TB is not a one person show.

As a business owner that gets few bookings from the advertising I will say it is still from a business standpoint, a prudent place to advertise as it is the top ranked website on Treasure Beach Jamaica searches, it adds legit air to your business when you are listed there vs. not.

As previous poster says, it is also a matter of supporting local business (and our virtual newspaper of sorts).

When a business "pulls out" especially a business that is not just mom and pop who may find at certain times of the year the very small fee a burden, people do wonder what agwan.

Two nights booked at Jakes more than pays for one year on this site, so it is VERY curious and you shouldn't condemn the curious, be it our business or not, enquiring minds want to know.

Further, as others above state, the fine line between community organizations and the business who benefit "bear the first fruits from" when the rest of us have yet to be "fully sensitized" makes some people feel a bit left out especially as if we all were "in on the plan" from the get go we could all prepare and possible reap some of the first fruits too.

Generally, the people who say easy yourself and who cares are not really as much affected as they are not here all the time.

I admire alot of what Jakes, Jack Spratt and Breds does but I can easily see where alot of the criticism, scape-goatism and rumors fly from.

Taking an ad off this site, no matter the reason doesn't really help those feelings others have...

This site get so boring, people please add some picture or something interesting,OMG

Apart from the scapegoating and susu, I feel that many respect and will listen to Jason if he brought his vision to the TB community live and direct, while hearing the visions of everyone else. Yes it may take some patience and some getogethers, but what an investment.

It's called Community Tourism for a reason.

Thank you for your sensitive remarks, Sensitive. I like how you think. I would jump at the chance to be invited to a community meeting where everyone got to politely express their opinions and visions.

Polite and one voice at a time.

mnken...Let's accept the observation that Jake's cancellation or lapsing of their "subscription" to advertise on TB.Net is purely a private ("in house") business decision. Why should anyone else, in the community, or far-flung interests (snoops) care

Admittedly, as soon as the oil hits the hot frying pan, susu and conjecture can run rampant.

It's no secret that Jason's vast experiences, as past president of Island Outpost, managing the cyclical ebbs & flows of his hotel, as a director of the Jamaica Tourist Board and its planning agencies, that he remains a font of knowledge in the tourism and development sector.
There may always be trite conspiratorial hints about a Plan for Treasure Beach, which hints about who might be favoured or disadvantaged.
Some Plans have a legitimacy by being sponsored or approved by governmental entities. We are yet to have a full comprehension of the Greater Treasure Beach Sustainable Development Plan, but as the chairman of St Elizabeth Parish Development Committee, Jason would certainly be conversant about some of the macro-big picture prospects & efforts to advance local tourism.

Would it be so awkward to ask Jason, as he pops up, here, at Dougie's bar, there or anywhere, that you heard that he's considering dropping advertising on TB.Net, would you like to share with us what the Tourism Board might be doing to help target the South Coast, or perhaps sharing more effective slices of advertising beyond the long list that everyone in the local accommodations business have investigated.
Any reason for Optimism?
I doubt very much that Jason would flip anyone off, if they approached requesting how the Plan is progressing in attracting tourism and advancing the business sector. Maybe he might even offer some advertising tips.

Legitimate inquiries for the lowly rank and file?

Gleaner Link:New Tourism Plan Launched In St Bess
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110225/news/news93.html

mnken...Re your : I am also surprised that you did not highlight in red and blue your points.
I would have thought you would have had some pity on the optically or graphically impaired. Isn't "colouring" something like looking at an election map to distinguish between red states and blue states, or perhaps like your purplish Minnesota (Viking's "purple people eaters" sloshing through Prince's "purple rain").

If I am not being too snoopy, might you tell those of us who do not know you about your connection to Treasure Beach, Mr. Ward? Thank you for your kind consideration of my request.

Looks like Jakes is getting all the advertising it needs on this site - for free! What irony!
Smart business decision in my opinion.

If Jakes took his establishment off the Web that is up to him and there should be no going back and forth argument about it what...so...ever.

It should be the other way around, one less "Add" more for the others to gain.

Think about this people.

This wonderful website is in danger of being overwhelmed by all the negative talk that pervades almost every discussion that gets started.

Too much cursing of the darkness; not enough candles being lit.

Some with good intentions have quit this forum for that reason.

Right on Fed Up! That has been my thought for a long time.

For some, negative talk is anything that they do not agree with. For some.

Watcher...Hmmmm

You people have nothing else to do, but to try and bring down a man and the companies he run. He have done nothing to any of you, but yet you all continue to talk about him. Most of you dont even know him, but yet its ok to talk about him. You all have hear about him. He is a man with a family trying to make something of himself, or to one day have something to leave for his kids. I used to love this site, but because of some of the people that use it they have turn me away. Most of the people on this site dont even live out there, but yet they have the most to say. Hr. Henzel and his family brought many jobs to the local people out there. If it wasnt for him there would be many people not working. He is helping to better the community so i dont see whats the big deal. Look at your own life and find problems with yourselves and not someone else. Life is not promise to no man but yet some of you continue to waste yours trying to talk about and bring down another man. Jason dont care about the negative things you want to talk about him. He is doing his thing and making a living for him and his family. Learn from him instead of bring him down.

St Bess you could not have said it any better.
Thanks for your view on this subject.

If Treasure Beach only had one more like Mr Henzel doing what he does, what a wonderful thing that would be.

Please read and understand what I just said.

I know there are others that has and is still good for the community............but here we are only addressing Jakes.

May God continue to bless him and his family so he can keep on dooing good for us and our family.

Please no more envy,no more hate.
But Love into your hearts and help him to make things better for all.

The message I read was "communicate and work with us" St Bess. It's unclear where anyone was trying to bring down Jason or his work.

Please let me know where you have read any such put downs on this forum.

this is starting to remind me of a forum on Negril. It started out to be very informative, people were polite and an innocent question did not get turned into some long drawn out thread that ended up with people bashing each.....I guess it's way I seldom come on here anymore...tis sad indeed

We agree with what Kathy and many others are saying about the negative turn this forum has taken. We understand the resistance brought out in some by our 'editing' as everyone feels what they have to say is important and must be heard.

Well we, once again, find ourselves in the position like many others not enjoying reading the forum. It is even less enjoyable reading the very negative messages and personal attacks sent to us regarding our editing decisions which don't make public viewing.

Therefore, once again, we are going to get very strict about what is and is not approved. As we were just reminded by a reader this forum was created to be a positive asset to this community. This was not created to be a venue for negativity.

Once again, we will start to edit even more when it comes to negative comments.

Once again, you always have the option of starting your own blog where you can say whatever you want to. But while we are responsible for this forum we will stay committed to doing our best - although admittedly not perfect - to keep the forum positive and and asset to the community.

So with all that said, once again, below is another reminder of our guidelines.

If you use negatively charged words like 'rant' or 'lunatic' against a person or their beliefs, the message will probably be edited/deleted.

If you use more respectful terms like "I disagree" or "I don't see it that way and here's why...", it probably won't.

In other words, disagree without being disagreeable.

Here is a link to the full guidelines. This link is also on the page where you add new comments so if you are not sure, read it before you post.

-TBNet

Big surprise . . . .This thread is now closed.