Tell the children who is their father.

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Tell the children who is their father.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By From yard on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

Thhttp://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/ohio-woman-discovers-she-married-her-f ather-185953907.html?_esi=1is article is very interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 05:00 pm: Edit Post

There is so many of these people living in T.B.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 01:55 pm: Edit Post

This article is a tease story.
please my fellow jamaicans,
do not be so gullible.Just saying,why on earth,do you thinking there is many people like this in treasure beach.I am from there and i dont know of any woman who has marry ther father,and had chidren for him.Let us pretend that this senario,is possible.How old would the father be in comparison to the daughter,i would suggest an old man,then this woman would have to be in a deprate state mentally,to want an old man to father her children.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Angel on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 06:23 am: Edit Post

Let's not downgrade our Treasure Beach people, everyone know's each other. I don't, and never heard of anything like this before, i am from there too, and i know family do get together, but Daughter and Father no way. Just saying, be more positive about our little community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 06:18 pm: Edit Post

Hi Steve if you read what the title is all about,it said tell the hildren who is their father you have many hildren right now living in T.B who does not have the right father,never to say the lease their is a few people who i know end up marring their brother.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Skelintonindeclasit. on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 09:03 am: Edit Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2hxhNbirQ0&feature=related


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By From yard on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 02:27 pm: Edit Post

Just saying or you one these victims you must be careful of these gossip or are you a DNA specialist who take sample without the persons knowledge


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

Hi just saying,
for your information i did read the title,
and also,what you posted in response,it was in direct refference to the "linked article.Just saying,you made a direct statement in public without any factual evidence. Just saying,Treasurebeach people are very proud of their heritage,and are articulate in their professional and everyday life."one love".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

Just telling the truth.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve on Friday, September 28, 2012 - 11:54 am: Edit Post

Just saying,
i hope "your truth about
knowing a few people in T-B marrying their brotghers",is'nt based on hearsay."one love".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By z on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 06:50 pm: Edit Post

Lyrics to" Shame And Scandal In The Family "

Repeated Chorus Line:
Woh is me, shame in scandal in the family.
Woh is me, shame in scandal in the family


In Trinidad there was a family
With much confusion as you will see.
There was a mama and a papa and a boy who was grown
Who wanted to be married, have wife of his own.

He found the young girl, who suiting him nice,
He went to his papa to ask his advice.
The papa said "son, i have to say no,
That girl is your sister, but your mama don't know."

Chorus

A week went by and the summer came down
And soon the best cook in the island he found.
He went to his papa to name the day.

The papa shook his head and to him he did say,
"you can't marry that girl i have to say no,
That girl is your sister, but your mama don't know."

Chorus

The years went by, the boy wished he was dead.
He found seventeen girls and still wasn't wet.
He went to his papa, his papa said: "no,
Those girls are all your sisters, but your mama don't know."

Chorus

He went to his mama and cover his head,
We told his mama what his papa has said.
His mama she laughed, and said "go man go,
Your daddy ain't your daddy, but your daddy don't know."

Woh is me, shame in scandal in the family.
Woh is me, shame in scandal in the family.


Passages Passed Over in Sunday School: Incestuous Relationships In The Bible
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/2642-top-6-incestuous-relationships-in-th e-bible


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Say What on Friday, September 28, 2012 - 09:31 pm: Edit Post

Actually Steve, I do hope Just Saying's input IS based solely on hearsay. I'm from Treasure Beach and have never ever heard of any such incestous relationship happening there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Friday, September 28, 2012 - 06:01 pm: Edit Post

Hi Steve stop kidding yourself you know i am telling the truth "one love"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 09:52 am: Edit Post

I still stand by what i said,some of these hildren don't have their right 'Name" sad to say.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Really on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 06:04 am: Edit Post

WE are all incest coming from Adam and Eve and Noah in the Bible.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 09:31 am: Edit Post

Oh gosh here we go again....more Bible stuff..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 05:16 pm: Edit Post

Yes we might be all inest,that does not hange any thing about this subjet that many kids don't have their right "Name"living in T.B.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hmm on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 10:37 am: Edit Post

You are right just saying, that is for the mothers that keep the secret because they are ashamed but the truth speaks for itself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By B0ld on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 01:40 pm: Edit Post

Its a shame,kids dont know there rightful father because of their mother action,it so obvious on some of the kids that u wander if that child dont feel bad within themselves.There is alot in TreasureBeach,it so unfair to both the child/children and the fathers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By steve on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

Just saying,let us put this accusation into its real perspective. How many children in treasurebeach,do you actually know of, as a fact, recorded or otherwise,who is'nt regestered in their fathers surname.( ) i am intriegued,to find out, and this is where i will let "sleeping dog lie".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By FamilyConfusion on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 11:41 pm: Edit Post

Oh Bold you crack me up putting this one on the mothers. I was going to keep quiet on this but it too hard.

Don't know of the daughter and father business but can attest to the fact of cousin and cousin being a fairly almost common thing in the area.
You can see it has a very negative effect. This is not hearsay, where do you think "we all come from the same gungo tree" and "cousin and cousin boil good soup" come from?

Add to this the gallis man who have nuff woman but hide it from wifey. When they have these affairs that produce children you can't just blame the other woman who may or may not know the man has a wife. Remember woman can breed only every 9 months and man can make a few pickeny a day.

I recall a man happily showing me pictures of his new babies a daughter and son. I was confused that they were born 6 weeks apart.It is then explained to me is two different mother who live just 3 houses away from each other. Proud father. Big man, gallis.

Jacket pickney and giving bun it takes two so you can't blame the woman alone.

The cousin and cousin thing again could be avoided with better communication and education.

You have other case where married people are having mulitiple partners and kids born out of the marraige are reffering to the wife of their father as auntie. Kind of confuses and sets a bad tone from early. Again, not hearsay this is a live thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 06:08 pm: Edit Post

Hi Steve i know who you're ,you know as muh as i do i ould Name many but i will let sleeping dog lie It's darn shame when you see these kids they say miss i know you're my sister or brother but my mother didn't own me on my right father.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By not hearsay on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 08:27 pm: Edit Post

In my personal experience, it is often the fathers that have "outside" women and children.They keep these secret from the families. My husband almost "got together" with his half-sister, they met at a dance in their teens and were later appalled to find out they had the same father. Please don`t put the blame on the mothers. There are many grown men in Jamaica that father children with young girls that could easily be the age of their daughters... or granddaughters. I agree with the origional posting that implores parents to tell their children who their half sisters and brothers, even fathers are.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Watcher on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 08:17 am: Edit Post

We will remain as we are unless the virtues of delaying gratification and taking responsibility for our actions is seen as manly, or womanly.

Our past has moulded us. Family separations and casual matings in a strange, cruel world and other inhumanities.

Agonising about the past and the present inequalities instead of learning from them, robs us of the focus needed for us to mould ourselves. Many are waiting to do it free of charge, just don't ask too many questions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Reality on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 10:24 am: Edit Post

DO they have DNA test in Jamaica. If I was a kid and have doubts I would would surely would like to know. Its not the kids fault. If the parents know they should say sonething. Poor kids.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Z on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 09:00 am: Edit Post

FamilyConfusion...you really put your finger on it, in our colloquial-local setting, when you seh jacket pickney (a child that is raised by another father...usually from the wife cheating on someone else and the father never knowing) and the infidelity norm or ab-norm of "gi bun" or "gettin bun" ( cheating or getting cheated on...a nice pun, maybe, for di mon putting a "bun in di oven")..it takes two so you can't blame the woman alone.

The counsellors' admonition that there are illegitimate parents, but I don't believe there are any illegitimate children, possibly arises out the urge to assuage the pain of the many children, here on the Rock, born out of wedlock, and the truly double whammy of children conceived through incestuous relationships.

(According to the UN, in Mexico and Canada the illegitimacy rate is 38 percent; in El Salvador it’s 73 percent; and it’s 86 percent in Jamaica.--Center for Immigration Studies)

There are many responsible and caring dads around, but every Father's Day I can't help but recall the many sad, deprived children and adults that know little or nothing about their biological fathers - many of whom are walking around carefree and free, indiscriminately sowing more than just wild oats on any willing fertile ground.
It's distressing to see that deadbeat dads don't recognise the essentiality of a stable home for the wholesome development of children. This especially holds true for our boys. Gang affiliation and criminal behaviour correlates well with the lack of a positive male role model. Boys need fathers for imprinting and patterning.


Gleaner Link: Illegitimate Fathers
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070618/cleisure/cleisure3.html}

A Calypso Admonition Re Fidelity: Wah She Go Do
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLZVJ-lVmVA


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By From yard on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 04:27 pm: Edit Post

Glad this topic got so much coverage.The fathers always love the children that they know for sure is not theirs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sunshine on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

Giving the wrong father to a child happens all over Jamaica. I have a male friend who told me this story years ago. His married mom used to work for this rich business man. She got pregnant for the business man but gave the child to her husband. When the child went to school, children were referring to him by the business man’s last name although he had his mom’s married name. Needless to say, the business man had to own up and when I met him, he was working in his dad’s business and he is the split image of the business man. When he offered me a ride in his car, the first thing I asked him is if he were Mr. So and So son. He said yes. Later on in life he gave me the full story. Said he does not talk to his mom but he showed me a letter that his mom wrote him from the US, “If I can’t be you mom, then at least, I will be your friend.” If he had his mom’s looks, and was given a dad that does not belong to him, simply put, he could end up marrying his sister.

I have a relative in her late 50’s, her mom refused to tell her who her dad is. Mother went to Kingston to work in her young days, came back to country pregnant, had the baby, left the baby with the grand-mother, mother went abroad. Years ago, mother came back to Jamaica to live, yet she refused to tell the girl who her dad is. (Was she raped why she refused to tell the girl who her father is?”) Each time she asked her mom, it opened up wounds. Sadly, the mom passed away, secret gone to the grave. My relative confided in me that she is now scared because she has daughters who could end up marrying their brothers or close relatives.

Another relative of mine, he claimed he had this son. Took the son abroad. Son turned 13, another man went to claim the son. The child really looks like this other man. Both men know each other. Child has a bond with the first dad. Child did not know what to do. My relative told him it’s ok to go to the next man. Occasionally, the child still visits/sleeps over my relative’s house.

When a child is not given the right father, cheating is involved. Sometimes the woman truly is not sure who the right father because she had relationship with her husband and another person in the same month. One or both parties involved are married or in a committed relationship.

It is a fact that many people not only in Jamaica, do not have their right father. I was watching a TV show where DNA tests were done on 5 men and still, none of the 5 men was the father of her child. I would suggest not ruffling any feathers for those children, but going forward, giving the child the right dad.

****Here is another spin, when I got married my husband’s last name is “Wynn.” All his other siblings last name is “Wint.” Another friend of mine, her married name is “Heaten” should have been “Eaton.” Those who did the registration in older days, did not care to spell the names correctly, so, we will have a generation of Wynn and Heaton that cannot be retraced back. Jamaica, no problem, man.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 05:16 pm: Edit Post

I am sure that Jamaia have DNA testing, some of the these lady\ladies that dress so pretty walking the road in T. B would put those pretty dresses over there fae ,even some of them living abroad. my mother always have a saying that goes like this when dish loth beome table loth sorry everyone the letter see is'nt working on my laptop


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JUST SAYING on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 09:11 pm: Edit Post

Sorry everyone the letter (c) just do'nt work on my laptop,


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ENOUGH ALREADY on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 02:58 pm: Edit Post

TB.Net, really. You let this {edited by TBNet} go on and when others try to discuss real subjects you cut the thread. Hows the cocaine issue in TB, still eating up the people which in turn will consume the community, now don't try and tell me that isn't going on. Cut me off if you wish but that is a problem that should be discussed and dealt with. I know its hard to fight back {edited by TBNet}. The people that are addicted is still people and can be helped, it wont go away on its own. Don't be misled by my tone I have great respect for TB but that is one thing never discussed here. No shame in trying just not trying. Love, U Got 2 Give.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Back at Yard. on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 04:01 am: Edit Post

When it comes to LUST & DESIRES,with IN HUMAN- SOULS,Producing Children,or not.WE cannot RUN from IT. When WE SLEEP,WE HAVE Dreams of it.When
WE R. AWAKE,WE THINK about it.It IS IN OUR BLOOD-
STREAM Flowing IN every Step WE make and every Breath WE TAKE,IN:
If YOU Think YOU CAN Escape Lust,Attraction for
another Person,or hot Desires,I DARE YOU to:
No Children IS Ille-giti-mate. All Off-Spring(s)Comes WITH a PURPOSE...All Babies /Child Has/
Have an AppointMent WITH Destiny,that NEEDS to be
FUL-FILLED. Also,ME and YOU too:
We (Me and YOU)will NEVER be Satisfied,or Real Happy,UNTIL OUR Mission,OUR Purpose,OUR Destiny IS Fully COMPLETED.<<< Believe It,or Not:<<<

PLEASE!! SEEK D.TRUTH 4.YOUR=SELF and BE AMAZED.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sunshine on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 10:30 am: Edit Post

Back a yard, I like what you said above. It is factual. However, if you write in lower case, I would understand better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sorry on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 03:44 pm: Edit Post

I can't read it. It gives me a headache. This saddens me because I think there must be good words in there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lisa on Saturday, October 20, 2012 - 05:04 pm: Edit Post

Back at yard always types like this...possibly a keyboard malfunction or quirky way of expressing oneself.
I can always read it, makes NO diFference whaTsoever.
Change the record people and stop berrating this poor persons style of writing over and over again.
Please stop the negativity it is soo uneccessary.