Importance of Font Hill and Song Bird Migration

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Importance of Font Hill and Song Bird Migration
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lauren on Thursday, October 06, 2011 - 06:26 am: Edit Post

Just watched an interesting show on New Hampshire public television about song bird migration and the importance of Font Hill to their survival. The song bird population is a barometer of environmental health and to lose Font Hill to development could be a disaster.
"Willem Lange takes us from New England to Costa Rica and Jamaica to meet these colorful and melodic migratory birds and the people who are dedicated to SAVING SONGBIRDS. This NHPTV Windows to the Wild special introduces viewers to researchers who employ creative means to assess the health of bird populations, and grassroots efforts by Vermont school children to help re-forest the mountains of Costa Rica. Web site for more information:
http://www.nhptv.org/songbirds/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Thursday, October 06, 2011 - 04:13 pm: Edit Post

Ah, I was just going to post about this show, which we watched last night. It was a wonderful program. Catch it/buy it if you can. Way to go, Lauren!

Now, HOW to save Font Hill from the developers? How to QUICKLY educate people - to get them to care.

How to persuade anyone in the Jamaican government (ho ho) to not allow development to ruin the mangroves so necessary to the survival of the songbirds. Alternately, how to raise money to save that land from the ruinous hands of the developers? And I mean BIG MONEY?

To paraphrase bird expert Roger Peterson, quoted on the program: What happens to the songbirds will happen to us. Peterson put it eloquently, but that was his gist. If they go, we go. Just a matter of time, and the way the destruction of our natural world is accelerating, that time may come sooner rather than later.

Recently we watched a documentary called BLUE GOLD, all about the diminishing of the world's water supply. We are using the earth's water faster than the natural cycle can replenish it. We are polluting it. And there are all the attempts to privatize the water supplies. BLUE GOLD raised the alarm: could be that in 50 years, the gig is up as far as access to potable water goes. Oh woe unto us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 07:47 am: Edit Post

I thought mangroves benefit fish and not fowl. Woe indeed,alarmists at every turn.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Its complicated on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 09:45 am: Edit Post

Like most of life/nature, one thing (mangroves in this case) benefits an entire array of life. It seems to be a human trait to want to ascribe one cause/benefit to something, rather than look at the larger picture and see how things are interconnected.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 10:12 am: Edit Post

Complicated has it right: [edited by TB.Net] Spooky: why don't you see if you can get to that NH public TV site mentioned in Lauren's post, and watch the program. You might change your mind once you get the full pictures.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

Well, expound on it and enlighten our darkness. I know that there area symbiotic relationships in nature and there are indirect connections, but I can't see the relationship between mangroves and song birds.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By MeDatAgain on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 11:40 am: Edit Post

Hi Spooky Dude,
it is simple and in the first sentence of the first post.

The mangroves are a vital part of the migration of the songbirds. A needed reststop on the flight south for the winter I suppose.

All the riches in the earth can't stop Jah works but man can easily mash things up. Then regret it later cause we never had the sense to see the interconnectedness of man and nature.

As Turey might say, it no matter and cyan baddah...

We may be only 50 years from not having readily available potable wata... Maybe yu cyan badda, but what about yu pickney...

People need to wake up before it is too late.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Saturday, October 08, 2011 - 11:51 pm: Edit Post

Medatagain, I see no where in the first sentence of the first post anything to indicate the connection between mangrove trees and migratory songbirds. You say it is simple,others say it is complicated and I say I don't see the connection and I still don't see the link. I watched the documentary, and no link was established therein either,except for a remark by someone in it about Fonthill. Nobody questioned the interconnection between man and nature, so I don't know why you mentioned that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 07:05 pm: Edit Post

Ye gods, editor of this site: what on earth word in my message commenting on Spooky Dude's message could you have possibly found offensive? i don't even remember what word I used in the space where now is your "edited by TB.net." Can you give me a tiny clue - perhaps the first two or three letters? I could then try to second guess you and could take measures to not get "edited by TB.net." Methinks, and apparently others think as well, that you have a nigh unto prurient notion of what censorship is. I do know i said nothing offensive. Seems you would make your life easier by not being so vigilant and arbitrary-seeming in your efforts to run a pristine ship. And for sure, you would cause fewer readers of these posts to grind their teeth at your mysterious targets for censorship, asking, in great puzzlement, "What the hey?"

Spooky: Lauren referred you to the site where the program aired, and where you can read about the importance of the mangroves in the preservation of the songbirds. They need the watery environment, for one thing. For another, the cover the mangroves offer is good. And I believe the mangroves also offer all manner of wee things that the birds thrive on. If you can't find more details on the website Lauren points you to, perhaps you could do some research, by googling.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 04:45 pm: Edit Post

Spooky Dude: where did you see that documentary mentioned in the first post in this thread ? The section in that documentary that was filmed in Font Hill featured bird experts who explain the problem, the importance of the mangroves, the wellbeing of the songbirds being an indictor to the wellbeing of man. Can you provide us with a link? Or did you see another documentary from the one Lauren and I saw?

And yes, MeDatAgain: the documentary BLUE GOLD makes the case for the world running out of potable water in the next 50 years.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 06:51 am: Edit Post

Spooky Dude: Still waiting to hear from you to tell us where you were able to watch the program, "Saving Song Birds."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 09:39 am: Edit Post

Sorry Nal, yes I watched it. It is the same one you watched on the NHPTV. While I see or more acurately,hear where the larger mangrove forests in Central America(?), is used as a stop-over for migrating song-birds, I see no scientific arguments to single out the mangroves in Font Hill over any other habitat. So whereas I will agree that mangroves may be important, it is not of the same importance as in the case of marine life. Song birds are spread out over virtually every area. It would be good if we had shots of flocks of these birds descending on the mangroves in the same way we see pictures of Canada geese for instance, as the documentary was more chatter than real evidence. One has to be sceptical, especially when one hears comments like "the considerable increase in temperature due to climate change" being quoted by one of the participants in the documentary. I am not aware of any considerable increase in temperature.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By furrowed brow on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 10:36 am: Edit Post

I have a simple suggestion to those experiencing the Spooky Dude Syndrome. Do what many of us have independently decided to do: skip his comments and continue with meaningful dialogue.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 05:49 pm: Edit Post

P.S. to Spooky: the Canada Geese do not descend in numbers into the mangroves. And they are not considered songbirds.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 05:46 pm: Edit Post

Oh, Furrowed, you are likely right. I never learn when to quit. Keep hoping to spread enlightenment when it comes to Man and his apparent need to have dominion over all the creatures of the earth.

Before I give up altogether on Spooky Dude, though, I will ask him again: Spooky, I cannot find where I can watch, online, "Saving Songbirds." I would like to know that. Will you please provide the link? It is hard to fathom why you would call the documentary "moe chatter than real evidence." Au contraire.

Please maintain credibility: point us to the link, please. Are you unwilling for some reason to do that? Thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 06:44 am: Edit Post

Hi NAL for a man who is trying to spread enlightenment, your understanding is not what it should be, I have neither suggested that Canada geese is a songbird, nor that they descend on mangroves!! Please read again.
The link you are asking for is in the first post on this thread, and although I did not provide the link I told you it was the same NHPTV which is the TV station provided by the link! The opinion I have of the documentary is just mine, I don't think you have to agree with it.
Not that it is relevant to this exchange, but since you brought it up, man does have dominion over all that's on the earth; that is a fact which you cannot deny. The only creature man was not intended to have dominion over is man!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 03:01 pm: Edit Post

Where is your meaningful dialogue furrowed brow? I can't recall ever seeing a post with this name before. You no doubt have many aliases. Since TBNet will not exercise the power of its veto to stop personal references, I must let you know that if as you say the action that many of you have taken was independent there would be no need for encouragement from you. It never cease to amaze me how the people with nothing to say try to belittle those of us who at the very least entertain others. {edited by TBNet} Have a nice day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NAL on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 03:44 pm: Edit Post

Spooky Dude: EXACTLY WHERE on the website provided by the first poster on this thread is there a link to the actual documentary, viewable online? i cannot seem to find it. That's all I want to know, please. It may be there, the link to the documentary itself. Can you provide, please? Thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 01:58 pm: Edit Post

You know, the more I think about the above thread, the more I realize that I am of a much higher and deeper thought pattern than most readers. No I am not perfect, but I am pretty darn close. Some see my higher intellegence, and some do not. Such as life.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 06:09 pm: Edit Post

Hey the only people who know my email address is TBNET. How come this post which is not by me is appearing????????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By The Dude doed it on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

Hey, the last two posts by you Mr. Spooky Dude, are from the exact same email address. Maybe a dupie is using your computer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 10:05 am: Edit Post

Okay folks, we get the hint. NAL and Spooky Dude - as our mothers used to say . . . If you can't say anything nice, don't say nuttin' at all!

To everyone, please, let's keep this forum respectful. No one likes reading others bickering.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 02:56 pm: Edit Post

Well that stupid one about my intelligence was not posted by me. I created an Email address to foil the prankster, but whoever is doing this has to be tech savvy. Well, whoever is having fun doing it I am happy for them! Must be indeed a duppy!or a doopey! or even a dupie!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 10:08 am: Edit Post

NAL, is this the link you're looking for? Its at the very top of this thread in the initial posting.
http://www.nhptv.org/songbirds/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By robbitybob on Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 12:36 pm: Edit Post

Mr. Dude, I think this is just a case of reverse psychology. You have a tendency to get under the skin, and it seems this has now happened to you as well...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, October 15, 2011 - 11:28 am: Edit Post

Did not sound like you Spooky.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Spooky Dude on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

robbitybob: This no case of reverse anything, this is just a case of idiocy. I have never tried to use someone else's name to make a point, so I don't know why the yellow bellied clowns are trying to embarass me in this way. It could be only coming from one source and you know that I know from whence, so please stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Answer to NAL on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 04:54 am: Edit Post

This link will bring you to a preview of this program. http://www.nhptv.org/songbirds/

Scroll down on the page and it will tell you when the program will be aired again and tells you the DVD will be available for purchase on November 1.

There is no link allowing you to watch the program on-line that I have found. If anyone finds that link, please post it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By S on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 10:04 am: Edit Post

I posted the information but I dont see it here. There is a blue bar near the top with the words 'watch on line'. Click on it and walla!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Answer to NAL on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 01:09 pm: Edit Post

Okay, so here is the link directly.

http://www.nhptv.org/productions/streaming.asp