I have been going on to TB.Net for many years.

Question: When a writer asks for a reccomendation for a property to stay at, could someone explain why Button Bay Beach Getaway is NEVER reccomended?

Is it that you are not familiar with the property or is that you only suggest what your friend has?

I would appreciate an honest answer.

I have been there several times and find nothing wrong.I just find it very strange.

I only suggest places I have stayed in.

You could suggest Button Bay.

when the qustion is asked, answer it...we are all free to express our opinions and make the recomendations we are familiar with.

Good Morning to you Lyn. I have never recommended Button Bay because I have never stayed there. I only recommend places I have stayed AND enjoyed because that's what I think is correct. I do the same concerning restaurants. I recommend only places where I ate AND I thought the food and service and atmosphere was worthy of a recommendation. I figure others do the same. When I recommend a place or a service it is because I personally have had a great experience there. If I do otherwise, my recommendation doesn't really mean much. Maybe the problem is not very many happy Button Bay customers read TB.net. I would find this strange because I figure people reading TB.net stay all over TB, including Button Bay.

I THINK Treasure Tours usually recommends places they represent though I have seen them say good things about places they did not represent. I could be wrong and would like to be corrected if this is so.

Same here, I have made strong recommendations to All of the places I have stayed in TB, but I have not personally stayed there.
The good news is that I have yet to go somewhere that I didn't like. They all have a slightly different feel or benefit over another one down the street. But they all seem to share the great community, local entertainment, great food, wonderful sunsets and same local places to eat. It has been too long for me, I have to get back there again soon.

To familarize yourself with Button Bay, look at the web site and I am sure the owners would love to have you pay them a visit and have a drink if you are in the area or when you are next in TB. BB is a mile from Billy's Bay going west.

Lyn, may I ask what your affiliation with Button Bay is?

Am I imagining defensive vibes about half the time I read about Button Bay?

Jimmy I am a good friend of the owners. Does it matter?

Funny Feeling You can stop imagining. I was just asking a harmless question.

Hate to say I get the same defensive vibes. Sorry about that because the place appears pretty interesting and funky. Can't miss seeing it when you go out to Floyd's.

Lyn, thank you for being honest and disclosing your relationship to the owners of Button Bay. I am not Jimmy so maybe I should not be answering here. I have been visiting Treasure Beach for the last 5 or 6 years. I have never stayed at Button Bay. I prefer to stay closer to where the action is because I want to either walk or take a SHORT bike ride if I want to go to a bar or restaurant. I don't want to rent a car. I don't want to beg rides. This is my preference because I admit I get very lazy on vacation. Most of the time I go nowhere and hang out where we stay for the week. I have heard nothing bad about Button Bay. I do know IF I recommended the place I stay on Tb.net I would be reluctant to do so if the owner was a good friend of mine. IF I DID put in a pitch for that place I would come right out and tell my relationship. But that still might not be a FAIR recommendation because I would be doing what I could to help get business for my friend or relative.

"Different Strokes, Different Folks"
Everybody has different wants and needs.
One place does not fit every person.
You have recommended "Button Bay" because you like the place. Other have not recommended it for their own reasons.
I am sure it is a nice place, but I would not recommend it for the same reason as "My Thoughts", because you are very isolated out there. But for some people, isolation is what they want, then Button Bay will be good for them.
ONE LOVE !!
Mike

I was baffled by the question in the first place.Surely you can only recommend a place if you've been there and tried it.I've never been there so I couldn't recommend it to anyone.Does that mean I'm biased. No it doesn't. I wish the owner well.

Lyn: What does the second part of this sentence mean?

Is it that you are not familiar with the property or is that you only suggest what your friend has?

My advice would be for the owners of Button Bay to ask their guests to get on TB.NET fairly often. That will give them an opportunity to get recommendations from satisfied customers.

I'm puzzled by this posting because I've actually seen quite a few recommendations for Button Beach Getaway. I've never stayed there, so couldn't recommend it. I would just suggest that you, Lyn, post your recommendation of the location when people are asking for suggestions.

Connie, most of the plugs for Button Bay seem to either come from the owner or from Lyn. I could be wrong, but that's my impression.

And I have to agree with Funny Feeling's post above.

Am liking the names people use more and more. Wonder if Lurker and Picture Pig have many more friends.

We have visited Button Bay Beach Getaway on two occasions and the place was beautiful and very well maintained. The second visit was unplanned...we had trouble with our motor scooter and one of the courteous staff members dropped what he was doing, fixed our problem and we were on the road again. He would not accept any money. I can imagine how guests would be treated. One suggestion is that the management provide a beach shuttle to Frenchmen's so guest could have the best of both worlds.

We also would like to express thanks to Jason who explained the details of the sports complex at Jake's anniversary party. We were impressed. Since this is a resident issue, not a tourist issue, enough said. However, every town in Illinois has a similar "community" area we call parks.

Tom and Jeanie (the muscians)

I see nothing wrong with giving a place a plug. Button Bay looks very nice.

Cannot help myself. I must ask what is the difference between a resident issue and a tourist issue? If someone owns a business or a villa and they do not live there full time, are they a resident or a tourist or a _________???

To Tom & Jeannie I was in TB a few days ago the roads is just a complete mess, business oweners you all should come togather and have those roads fixed.the one in fisherman lane is a total disgrace.If TB had better roads it would attract more tourist to that part of the world just my two cents worth.

To resident-tourist. Sorry the wording caused confusion and we certainly aren't qualified to answer your question. All we meant to say was Jason was courteous, helpful, and the project envisioned seems like a good thing for Treasure Beach (for what that opinion is worth coming from two who are not land or business owners...but simply love the people of Treasure Beach and wish them the best).

I have never stayed at Button Bay as I have a place nearby, but I have recommended it to many people over the past 3 years. And have heard no complaints. The owners are usually on hand (they live on property) to make sure their guests are happy. The food is good, the price is right.

And I will continue to recommend it.

Well said, Just Concern, I think the Guest House Owners and local residents who can afford it should fix the road, this would attract more touris and uplift the community.

I feel I must address the comment posted by Just Corcern. It says To Tom & Jeannie I was in TB a few days ago the roads is just a complete mess, business oweners you all should come togather and have those roads fixed.the one in fisherman lane is a total disgrace.If TB had better roads it would attract more tourist to that part of the world just my two cents worth.

I agree the roads are a mess. The roads have always been a mess, though sometimes they are not as bad as at other times. The roads always seem to look better before elections.

Why do some people think the responsibility for fixing the roads or fixing other problems belongs to the business owners? You think the lady with the little shop or the man with the little restaurant makes so much money they should spend it on fixing the roads? If a road is private then it is the responsibility of everyone who lives off that road AND the business owners off that road. If they do not wish to get it fixed or they cannot afford to get it fixed, then it will stay a mess. If a road is public then it is the responsibility of the government. If the government does not do its job when it comes to fixing roads then it is the responsibility of the residents and businesses to complain until something is done.

Well this is some thread. I would not begin to comment other than to say thank you to those who have commented on the original statement by Lyn.

As for the roads. I could not agree more. I will at this time try to give you some information.

William and I have been in dailogue with the MP for the area, the Mayor, The superintendant at the Parish Council, Minister Bartlett, Minister Mike Henry and the NWA. I will now give you the responses.

The Mayor says that the road is not the Parish Council road or the NWA and is not even actually on the map HaHa. I have heard nothing from Minister Bartlet and I did get a reply from last year from Minister Henry that he had referred the matter for inspection to Mr. Patrick Wong who is head of the NWA. A day does not go by that we do not try to do something. It is not just the surface of the road but the bushing of the verges that I had done last year for Calabash.

It is a labor of love to try and get things accomplished in Jamaica if it has to do with the Government. "They have no money"

I pay so many different kinds of taxes I can't keep track. I pay someone to help me at my business. I tip the people who bush the roads. I give to the Womans Group. I buy a raffle ticket. My JPS bills are through the roof. I have to pay my phone bill even when the service is out. When you come to see if I have anything left to fix the roads please show me whats in your wallet. If you have more than me please give your own money. I am broke. I could use some uplifting for myself.

The road through Fort Charles had been washed out for years and was impassible. Thats one reason it might not be on a map.

a couple of weeks ago someone wrote what the sign tax was for and I think one of the things was for roads. could that person please repeat what they said. i am serious because this is really annoying. how can elected officials ignore all those calls and letters?

My proplem is with the elected officials not with the little shop oweners I find it outrageous that TB is one of the best places to vacation,and so very little tourist is there?If some could tell me the reason please state it on this thread thanks

To Gladys thank you for the Info

I have seen all the good things and the not so good things re Button Bay. It is good to get these messages as I learn from them.

I would however, like, if we could refrain from using the word "isolated" as it gives a negative vibe. There are several guest houses at Fort Charles.The street is well lit especially by Button Bay. There is also a magnificent 11 mile, very safe beach at Fort Charles. Yes it is quiet and relaxing but cetainly NOT isolated. We are 1 mile from Billy's Bay. Then there is Frenchman's Bay, Calabash Bay and down the long road to Great Bay.

To compensate our guests, we offer a free shuttle into Frenchman's Bay and Calabash Bay. To Jack Sprat is a 10 minute drive. We have excellent security and lots of amenities.

Thank you for all your kind words.

Isolated is not a bad thing; some crave it. I get your point though, and would like to check out your place when next I'm in TB. Do you cater lunch or dinner for visitors who are perhaps just visiting for a day?

I'm TRYING LOL

Just Concerned one of the reasons and perhaps the best reason that T.B. is one of the best places to vacation is because there is so very little tourist here

Is Lyn, who originated this thread on Button Bay, Lynda (Finlason) Edwards, the daughter of the owners, and a US marketer for the property?
If so, naturally you would want to discover every aspect and perception of BB to increase the popularity and occupancy of this charming get-away.

Whoa. IF this is the same Lyn, then we are getting into muddy waters here. IF so, I would have preferred her to say: My parents have a nice little hotel and I don't understand why its not recommended more here. Before we all get a bit upset, we should get the answer. If not this is a very unjust accusation.IF it is the same Lyn, then it could be pretty embarrassing.

So where are you, Lyn? More important, WHO are you?

To Gladys could you please post a contact number's
thanks

this is my take on(Jason)Jakes the best thing ever happen to TB is having him moving in their, he is only one who makes any business sense?

TO EACH HIS OWN.
END THIS SUBJECT.
I LOVE APPLES YOU LOVE ORANGES.
GET ON WITH LIFE.

VISIT DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEN COMPARE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO COMPARE. FAIR IS FAIR.
GOB BLESS YOU ALL.

Just Concern, I am going to take two of the thoughts you have expressed in this string and make a suggestion to you. You believe the roads in TB are a total mess and business owners should come together and have those roads fixed. You also feel believe there is only one person/establishment in TB who makes any business sense. My suggestion is for you to approach the business owner you believe makes the most sense and ask them to handle the roads.

Curious why Just Concern believes Jakes (Jason) is the "ONLY one who makes business sense". Not saying Jason isn't an excellent business person but merely wondering why Just Concern feels the way he does.

I might just do that,thank you being for so thoughtful.

Splendid idea from To Just Concern.

So why has Lyn gone silent on us?

To New Yorker I was just in Cuba, as a communist country they have better roads?

First of all, I go by the name of Lynda, not Lyn. To Attagirl, thanks for the nice comments, to Looking for Lyn, I have no idea who posted this. To Which Lyn, this is the first posting I have made on this forum. My mother called me to let me know that someone asked if I had made postings. I have not, I am a travel agent based in the US and I do not market properties, I sell them. The guests staying at Button Bay are very loyal and this property has a large repeat clientele. The property also offers free WIFI, so not only do guests use the computer allocated for their use, but others from other properties nearby come and use the computer at Button Bay. I hope this puts this matter to rest. The policy of Button Bay is never to say anthing negative about the area or properties in the area because everyone's goal should be to promote the area and build tourism. Their seems to be some negativity directed at Button Bay in reading the various comments, isn't this forum designed to promote the positive attributes of the area?

You think people visit Cuba because of its roads? Better roads would make T/B nicer especially for the people who live there, but I doubt better roads would make much of an impact on tourism.

This for just concern....My post had nothing to do with roads.
I was talking about taking vacation and staying at different places and then comment on the service/surroundings/hospitality etc,etc.

But since you thought otherwise I would like to say this.
The roads has always been deplorable all over the Island and the Government has to be blamed for that.
Never been to Cuba has no intention of ever going there..so that is that .
TB folks I love you all.

Roads. No place is perfect. Take the good with the bad, and decide. [edited by TB.Net]

Not sure why my post was edited, as it was just stating a fact of history. Prior to WWII, the 'Leader' if you will, of Germany had all the roads fixed like never before. Just wanted to point out that a few potholes are really not that big of a deal in the big picture. And the road conditions would never stop me from visiting, unless they were impassable. But then I would just get in a boat. Or fly in on the sea plane!

To New Yoker are you sure you can set foot on Cuba soils""It's a lovely place to visit.you might want to consider

Lovely place for you not for me.
Lovely place for me is "My Home Land TB"
By the way to answer you question I can go anywhere in the world I do wish but, the big "C" is definitely not one of them.

I bet you thought I was a refugee.Got ya.
Jamaica my beautiful Land.

Wow, Just Concern, you are starting to sound like you want to have an argument. It seems you are implying New Yorker isn't permitted to go to Cuba since he may be an American citizen. Granted, it is more difficult for an American to be able to go to Cuba than to France, but it can be done. Legally. If you want to argue about things, how about defending the Jamaican law of letting none of its citizens leave the country without a Visa to go anywhere. THAT is what I would call extreme.

I think when the questions and answers are becoming increasingly stupid, unintelligent and repetitious, the editor should be more aggressive in eliminating the conversation.
Over and out….

To Memken I was born in TB, I stated the facts how nothing changes when it come to our roads.I have nothing more to say on this subject. {edited by TBNet}

Hi Arguing,
I have nothing more to say on this subject.your argument is irrelevant.

Where are there not beautiful places?

If the residents are not in synch with this beauty, who will want to visit?

Tb has beauty. If a critical mass of the population loose sympathy with the source/s of this beauty, time will tell the effects. Each property and project will have it's effect and the quality of each is usually in plain sight, smell or sound.

There are many examples of tourist destinations whose quality is declining. Some show a good balance sheet in $'s. When our Chartered Accountants include Externalities in their annual reports, the treatment of air, water, soil, flora, fauna and the local population's quality of life, the true state of things will be better quantified and qualified/defined.

EG: What is the tolerable level of fecal bacteria in the surrounding sea? Or; how efficient are the treatment plants. Maintainance is cursed by "Cyaan Badda!.

How much Co2, methane etc is emitted or used as dirty electrons propelled by a coal/oil burning generator far away?

Who will answer these and many other questions?

Are there any questions that are not allowed to be asked?

Are the wealthy only those with large sacks of gold?

Is silence really golden?

Can isolation be an asset?

If funds are not there for acceptable roads, what are the solutions? The effects are both slower traffic and worn suspension parts. If we had good roads, would there be more speeding and the unpleasant consequences.

though I sometimes have to strain to decide your meaning i have missed your posts turey. welcome back.

with respect to your post, the ideal would be to have good roads and drivers who drove slowly through residential areas.

Thanks WB. I'm with you on the ideal situation.

Better to work towards ideals than practice our good old "Cyaan Badda" or "Mek dem Gwaan ya!".

Reminder on US Citizens Thinking of Traveling to Cuba: At this time the only legal way a US citizen can go to Cuba is if they are with a group that has permission from the Cuban government. Usually, it is for educational purposes or even religious groups who are going on a mission. While it is possible for a US citizen to get to and FROM Cuba via a flight from Canada or Jamaica, if you have your US passport stamped with a Cuban seal, you run a very high risk of being detained and probably fined heavily when you return to the US, as it is illegal to go to Cuba. Even if you are able to slip through, if at any other time you do leave the US and an immigration officer sees that stamp, you are still subject to prosecution after the fact. I hope this changes someday but right now that is how it is.

There is nothing wrong with BB, it is nice, no noise, private, the owners do not get along with everyone,but who does there, when you stay LONG enogh. ah, they have GOATS on property, but other than that, the place is very nice, a bit far but if they give transpo there and back, no PROBLEM....

One other way of traveling to Cuba Travelmaven. That is if you're the spouse of a Cuban citizen, and you have a Cuban visa.