http://newsday.co.tt/news/0,109660.html

Which article is it, what is the title? I do not want to read the whole paper.

open newsday and type in 2009-10-23 when page open scole down to four men in court for having $8m worht of ganga you will see then in hand cuff.

Here is the story from Trinidad and Tobago's Newsday for 23 October 2009:

Four men in court for having $8M worth of ganja
By Alexander Bruzual Friday, October 23 2009

click on pic to zoom inWeed Haul: Senior Magistrate Lucina Cardenas-Ragoonanan, right, looks on yesterday as police officers examine 53 bags of marijuana which were found on...« prev photo next photo »Four men, one a Jamaican, were brought to court yesterday to answer charges of being in possession of marijuana worth $8 million.

The men were arrested Monday morning when 876 kilogrammes of marijuana were seized on board a pirogue named Uncle Sam. The sea vessel was intercepted by officials of the Dutch warship Von Spic.

After three days of questioning, Carlton Taylor aka David Jones of Calabash Bay, St Elizabeth, Jamaica; Roger Bertrand aka Franklin Noel of Rampanalgas Village, Toco; Fred Amoroso of Bay Road, Salybia; and Allan Thomas of Santa Cruz, were all brought yesterday before Magistrate Lucina Cardinas-Ragoonanan in the Port-of-Spain Magistrates’ 4A Court.

They were charged with importing prohibited goods, possession of a dangerous drug for the purposes of trafficking, and possession of prohibited goods onboard a vessel on the high seas. Noel, captain of the vessel, was also slapped with the additional charge of leaving the country without making the required declarations to customs officials.

Defence attorney Patrick Godson-Phillips represented Taylor and Thomas. However, he was unsuccessful in his application for bail.

The attorney argued the two men were not flight risks and had significant ties to the country. He also said Taylor was prepared to surrender his passport, and comply with any restrictions imposed by the court. The attorney also asked the court to consider that the State had failed to provide background tracing on any of the accused despite the length of time the men were in custody.

Prosecuting attorney, Harricharan Cassie, rejected these arguments, saying until the background tracings were provided, all the accused men should be considered as flight risks. He pointed out specifically Taylor, who had given separate names to officials, making it clear in the State’s mind of his intentions if he was released.

Cassie then requested for an additional day for the State to produce background tracings on all four men, explaining the reason it was not yet available was because various State agencies were involved in the investigatory stages of the matter.

He however assured the court it would be prepared by today.

In light of this, Cardenas-Ragoonanan, adjourned the matter for the information to be provided to the court. All four men are expected to return to court today. The exhibits, valued at close to $8.76 million, comprised of 53 bags of marijuana which were brought yesterday to the courthouse in a truck.

Does David Jones normally live in T/B or had he moved to Trinidad?

Is this John Taylor son?

No it's not.John son is in Treasure beach. And he's Carl Taylor. Carl is very much at home in Treasure Beach, Giving jokes as usual.

carlton taylor is the son patsy bowl moxam.

Carlton is the son of Patsy Moxam of Treasure Beach ,but she reside in the Bronx for years,he is the nephew of Bowl,Moses,Warell and Michilyn,and Howard.

I am really trying to understand why people take such huge risks knowing before that if they get caught they will have to suffer the consequences of shame both on themselves, and family. The benefits does not equate with the chance of being caught and the hardships they will have to suffer.

o please cant some people have some heart is it bad mind or is it grudge anyway it will be for long but not forever...

Carlton Taylor AKA David Jones use to live in Sandy Bank during the 90's. To my knowledge he had moved to Barbary Hall and that was his base when he was not in Latin America or the Eastern Caribbean.

No Risk, No Reward. The higher the risk, the higher the reward, BUT then there's a flip side!

What is Cousin trying to say - Not sure. This does not make it right. We not only should be thinking of the rewards but also how it is destroying families. What do you mean by bad mind or grudge? It will not be for long but it was not necessary - why do people have to do this?

do u no wat cousin is trying to say todey fi mi tomorrow fi u so dont worry to enjoy it.

Now is not the time to say negative things. It is time to rally around the family,give them all the love and support they so badly need at this time. Let's continue to keep the family in our prayers. Parents, let us continue to pray for each other's children because when trouble is coming it does not toot a horn. To the family, I am a mother and you are in my prayers. Please bare in mind I am not justifying what Carlton did but I am not going to condemn him.

Thanks cousin everytime and New York. Enough is enough. Weall have a child or children. Carlton u wont b the first or the last, I am praying for u, where there is life there is hope. Be strong, only the strong will survive.God bless.

My prayers goes out to the moxam family. I am not condoning what happen, but hopefully one can learn from these mistakes. We need to pray for this young man and all other young men out there that it does not pay to risk one's life this way.

We need to pray for this young man. May he find god.
Only him alone can stare him in the right path.

By Think Before on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 05:19 pm: Edit Post
I am really trying to understand why people take such huge risks knowing before that if they get caught they will have to suffer the consequences of shame both on themselves, and family. The benefits does not equate with the chance of being caught and the hardships they will have to suffer.

Times are hard. Maybe they really needed the $. It does not make it right. But, haven't we all made mistakes?

Sorry New York, when you do the crime you do the time?

Aren't we all adults? Can't we see the 'keyhole' before we 'buck'? These are not negative things -this is constructive criticism/feedback. Let us let go off the 'get rich quick' mentality and try to focus on the simple things of life. Why do we have to do the things that will get us into 'hot water' and is not worth it?
Now this is it - there are lots of lessons to be learnt from this and I hope TB has learnt. I am praying for the family because they are the ones who have to suffer because of this. Let us not look at it as being bad mind. All of us grow up in families that care for us and when we make wrong decisions the family is really really hurt. TB is one big gungo tree so we all wish each other well.

I definately don't condone the crime but I do remember being told that a close friend in Guyana was considering selling drugs to make some money. He had lost his job and although was getting sporadic work here and there as a mechanic it was no where near what he had been making on a sailing ship. I was floored that he of all people would have ever considered selling drugs, but after some thought it occurred to me that he was desperate. It doesn't make it the 'right' way to make some money to support his family but I certainly can understand how desperate he may have been.
I say, 'don't judge someone until you have walked a mile in his mocassins"

To Patsy & family my heart goes out to you in your time of sorrow have faith.here is poem for you


A mother's touch
Speaks thousand words of comfort
and in her smile a forgotten
courage comes alive

Here undying love
Gives a child wings of strength
Whislt in the bed of her tender eyes
Hope confidently flowers

A mother's heart
Knows not only hatred for her child
And her angelic presence slowly
Brings a change in life

Mother, she is
A gentle affection to hold and to embrace
And words never get exhausted
Praising her name.

We all know when do something that is not right w have to stand the consequences of it whether it be here on earth or in heaven, we will never get away. So let us pray for this young man and the family we are all human being and we not perfect. God is the creator of us all, we should be our brother's keeper. Treasure Beach is sure one big gungo tree [all families] but we dont see that all the time, we sit back and rejoices over each others failure.Carlton be strong.

Neew York .we should salute the folks in Trinidad
for the good job they are doing in getting rid of these destructive scourges from society, pray for the young lives these people are destroying.
Let us support our local law enforcement in getting rid of those within our community that engage in these unlawful activities.

We are pulled and prodded by so many impulses Think Before. Constantly. Even in the escape of sleep, our dreams influence us.

Hunger and thirst, the need for warmth, ease from pain etc.

These are needs. Requirements for a good life and survival.

Our wants are mostly brawta. Pretty clothes, big house, bling, nice car are the material ones. Our emotions also cry for attention, variety and entertainment are spices of life and keep the brain alert and flexible. To a point.

The ability to DELAY GRATIFICATION of wants and be aware of the difference between wants and needs allows us to focus our energy and keeps us from wasting time and resources, ours and our community.

To see some around us luxuriate in their satisfied wants wakes envy, jelousy and greed.

To keep these impulses in their cages is part of our growing up.

Where are such basic and simple things being taught outside of The Each One Teach One U and it's cousins?

But, if the resources are not available to satisfy needs, something is wrong. Somewhere.

Respectfully Handcuff Dem, [edited by TB.Net]. It is not as simple as all that. Also, this young man was arrested; he has not been convicted. So please everyone, be measured in your response.

That is true Cousin - TB although we are one gungo tree - some people rejoice over others misfortunes. Now is not the time to rejoice over one's misfortunes but to pray for the young man and his family for strength, endurance and support them through this difficult time. Everyone has got to learn from their mistakes and that includes us all. After all is said and done - absolutely no one is perfect - not even the preacher man!

This is a song for Carlton and his family. Don't lose heart and be inspired by the words of this song. We all have made mistakes - it's just for us not to stay down but learn from them and hopefully others will learn too. God Bless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq-_zwyTeGc

"Let him that is without sin cast the first stone." So many of us, our own closets are overflowing with greed and crookedness but because we have not yet been exposed we can throw stones at people we do not know.

Handcuff dem,please to give me your name,phone number and address .I would just love to speak and come in contact with you.

WHY ON GODS HEART DID SOMEONE PUT THIS ARTICLE UP, AND THEN OTHERS GIVE OUT INFO ON WHO THIS MAN CONCERNS (FAMILY)....HE DID WHAT HE WANTED TO DO, ITS HIS FAULT, LEAVE THE RELATIVES OUT OF THIS, WHOEVER KNOW HIM, KNOWS HIM...WHOEVER DONT...THATS THEIR BUSINESS!! I AM IN AWE, TO KNOW THAT THIS WEBSITE IS SO STRICK AS TO WHAT PEOPLE POST AND YET THEY ALLOW SOMEONES POST TO GO THROUGH DISCLOSING SUCH INFOMATION AS TO WHO ARE THE RELATIVE AND WHERE THEY ARE LIVING.....SO EMBARASSING.......
I'M NOT REALATED TO THIS MAN, AS A MATTER A FACT I DNT EVEN KNOW HIM...BUT IT IS DISTURBING TO SEE WHAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO

Whose business is it anyway?
If we can't say something good or even try to sympathize then we should not say anything at all.
Today for me, tommorrow for you!!
Let us pray for each other in times of trouble.

People are entitled to have an opinion and to express their opinions.

The fact that the family is probably quite embarrassed over the actions of one of their family members should serve as an important reminder that when someone chooses to do something illegal they are likely to involve many more people than themselves. [edited by TB.Net]
Having a family member accused of a serious crime does not mean the family did anything wrong. We all know families who raised each of their children with love and concern, not favoring any one child over the other. Yet, each child turned out differently, some excelling and some disappointing. If being a good parent was the only thing that determined how a child turned out, it would be a lot easier to be a parent. Anyone with children knows this isn't true. Being a parent is one of the most difficult jobs in the world. We all know people who did their best but had a child who grew up to do things which were less than nice. We all know parents who were not considered good examples but their child turned out to be a fine person. Sometimes it is the luck of the draw.

The man involved is an adult. I presume he did whatever he did of his own free will, not because any possible criminal activity was suggested or supported by his family.

This is the point when people should gather round the family and give them support and sympathy. They need to hear positive things from their friends and from the entire community.

The man will, if he is guilty of the crimes charged, have to suffer the consequences of his own actions. If this is the case, the family will be sad but they can still hold their heads high.

To MY GOD, this information was already in the public domain. It was published in a newspaper. However, I believe some of the comments have been insensitive.

I have learnt that people always seem to find the worst in others when anything goes wrong.Didnt Carlton do any good in his lifetime?He is still alive and only time is the healer, leave him alone.Pray for him instead, remember out of many we are still one people.

They broke man's laws.

However, Mother Nature is puzzled by the current treatment of a valuable plant that has co-evolved with man for millenia.

The shame in reality: “If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is [edited by TB.Net]. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience.”

Charles Dickens. Oliver Twist.

Whenever I say my piece about how people are tearing others apart on the website, there is always someone to "jump down my throat". They find pleasure in another person's demise or are just unkind. Some threads I dont open anymore.

I knew this young man, and also his family. This is a very respectful family, and I think that we all should sympitized with them. No one is perfect. The guy made a mistake and was caught. So for God sake, let us pray for the famalies of those guys. Remember, he's not the only one that was caught. I think that anyone of us can get into trouble, sometimes we found ourselves in some difficult situation and God help us through, so let us not pass any judgement PLEASE,PLEASE. The word of God say we must bear each other's problem.My prayer is for those men that God will grant unto them comfort. Wrong is wrong, but thank God that is not a life that has been lost.

TRUE PEACE IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF WAR; IT IS THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

To T/B.NET. If I have said something that I should not have said, please take it out, but please, publish my post. thank you.

Yes Turey, many believe ganja should be legalized. If it was legal I'm sure there would not be so much profit, the men would not be doing anything wrong, and they would then be subjected to being taxed on their earnings which would help out each country involved.

The seriousness of the crime is in the eye of the beholder or as Turey put it in the eye of the government for that particular country. Many would use the words of Peter Tosh by saying "Legalize It!".

carlton i am praying for u bro.

You do the crime you do the time. Not all country will accept payouts and look the other way. [edited by TB.Net] When some thing happen to another person/family let us all pray for them, so when its your time those prayes will come back to you.

This why so many drug addict is in North America [edited by TB.Net]. If you do the crime you do the time?

This thread should be closed just as the one about the stabbing was closed.

Dickens rolled in his grave at the censorship of his well known paragraph.

I had to explain to him that times had changed and one has to be careful of the context in which his words are used.

The law tries to be equitable and fair. As laws are made by man, their evolution is dependent on our growing understanding of various issues.

Nah condenm no one still ,but this been going in Treasure Beach for a long time, so "man an man " know what they doing , i honestly feel sorry for the young man and his parents but they know the wealth and the risk ,so i will just leave it at that.

Let me put a few words in before this thread is closed and before the critics say I am silent on this one. Carlton is my nephew. Carlton is young,
strong and healthy and much braver than I am.
He will survive and live to look some of you critics
in the face. Those of you who are ready to hang him
even before he is tried in a court of law.
This country is overrun by thousands of drug pushers
you might have one in your house and don't know
until he/she is caught.
So please people it can happen to you.

he without sin cast the first stone....

To all the negitive sayer remember if you live in a glass house dont throw stone,Carlton wont be the firt to be charge for drug and he wont be the last,I am praying for u and ur family.No one is prefect so be strong.These thing does happen in life,we have children too and we never know what will happen to them so let us bear one another burden.Please...............

Thanks Bowl for your comments, as this little phrase that says every dog have him four o'clock. God is the only fair judge give this young man a break. thanks

Can some close this article enough is said than done, God is the true judge for all, irregardless of your race,color or creed. Thanks uncle bowl

Whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'???

We agree with you "cousin" and "mnken". This thread is now closed.