The sugar pot should be returned to Old Wharf
and placed on a stand as a monument.

where is the sugar pot?

Where is it now? I thought it was still on the land at Old Wharf.
Very good idea.

I hope it is found.

It is best to record any heritage items by photos, measurements, markings and weight (where practical). Recording/copying any history of the peice will add to it's interest, value and relevance in research.

If it is missing, these descriptions will help in identification.

An invisible mark is often possible. Never let any mark leave a permanent scar on the object.

'Old Spanish Jar' is not sufficient to identify a particular object, for example. There are many such jars in Ja.

treasure beach people no where the suger pot is

Is this the sugar pot that is in the front yard at Jakes? If so, isn't it safer there than just sitting out in the open at Old Wharf?

It is great to have an artifact where it originated from but it would be much worse if it was taken and brought to a private place where no one could see it. Where it is now it is on public display. I know of a wonderful private collection of Taino artifacts. I had the privilege of seeing them, but wouldn't it be greater if they were on public display somewhere where many more could see them and learn from them?

Another good reason to start that museum!

It might be nice to have a plaque in front of the sugar pot describing what it is, where it was found, etc.

I was worried that some person had bought the pot for 2 pence like how he bought my granny's antique table, only to see the table sailing away on the top of his vehicle.

The collection I discussed on this forum is still available.

Recession bites and collectors are enquiring about the availability of individual objects but it is still intact.

It actually grew since last mentioned.

The Collector still waits for serious enquiries.

Glad to hear the sugar boiler is accounted for.

To turey: I will be in TB first week in November and would like to see the collection. A Jamaican friend of mine has started collecting recently and might be interested in parts or all. Please, contact me at 445 8755 to finalize viewing.

Hello Taino, I am in Canada and will not be in Ja until next year.

Please email me at: tainocacique2004@yahoo.com and let me know what your friends area of interest is.

I have previously posted that the Collector/Catetaker hopes to place the collection in a museum setting, hopefully in TB.

Best wishes.

Many thanks; will contact you.

I don't know where the pot is or if it is the one at Jakes but if it was sitting out there at Old Wharf for 3 or maybe 4 hundred years I cant see
why it would still not be safe.

Bowl this is the first time that I have to disagree with you. Your stand reminds me of my step-daughter. Whenever I remind her to lock her doors, she always respond by telling me that she always leaves them unlocked and that nothing has ever happened to her. The weakness of that arguement is that there is always a first time.

While Jakes may/may not be the best place, the fact is that Old Wharf is now a different place. It's no longer the inaccessable place that only us locals knew. It's open country now, where anything could go missing in broad daylight. Then where would we look for The Pot?

Perhaps Jakes may be civic minded enough to display The Pot prominently, and give it due publicity on the property so that all can appreciate it fully. That would be a win-win situation, i.e. for Jakes, and The Pot, and the community. Nuff respec'.

Shame,
You are correct the man went over to Gt. Bay and bought our granny's antique table from the Rastaman for maybe 2 foreign coins and took off with the table on the top of his vehicle. This was so not right since the Rasta was only a tenant and was doing something illegal.

Cuz,
I truly sympathize with you on the loss of your granny's table.Hope the person who purchased it will find it in their heart to return it, even for a small fee.It's your birthright after all.

Jake place is a private place and I grew up with this pot. It should be display for the public to
enjoy it. If that's the pot at Jake's place you can see the people of Treasure Beach are not getting the chance to enjoy it and show there children a part of there history, this is not right, how did Jake's get this pot by the way,[edited by TBnet].

If this pot is at Jake's place. I think the pot
should be on display at the Sandy Bank School for our children and grandchildren to learn about our history and enjoy.I am sending this message to Jake if you have this pot the decent thing to do it put the pot at the school it's a part of our history.

Have we determined the sugar pot at Jakes is the same one from Old Wharf? Let's not hurl accusations until we know the facts.

Also, Jakes is open to the public. If you want to come and see the sugar pot sitting on the left side of the walkway as you enter the property, I don't know of anyone who would not allow you to do so.

Hmmm, I have to wonder, if it is the same pot or another sugar pot, now that more know where they can see a sugar pot how many will go to look at it?

There was only one pot.

Rebecca this person did not say that's the sugar pot,
they say if.Rebecca You are the one that ask the question about the pot at Jake's place not this person.

I don't know what sugar pots are but I do remember seeing some neat things in the yard of Jakes. We've never stayed there but were able to walk through. If the cool things that we saw are artifacts, it would be nice to have labels saying what they are. I know I'm just a tourist but I think that the items are important and should be somewhere that they can be protected and not easily taken by a passerby. A museum is a great idea.

You are absolutely right Rebecca.There are other sugar pots elsewhere in TB and no one is sure if the pot at Jakes is the pot in question.There is one on my cousin's lawn in Great Bay as we speak.

Here is a link to show what a sugar pot looks like.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37422365@N05/3540269323/

The earlier ones were made of copper, sometimes riveted from thick sheets that could have been mined locally. These are probably from the Spanish period. The name 'copper' refers to these. The later Scottish and English ones are from cast iron, the name 'copper' stuck.

There were stages of boiling down the sugar syrup from a large boiling vessel, or copper, through smaller ones as it thickened. In the smallest one, sometimes 30" or so wide, the mass was converted to sugar. I believe there were 7 coppers in all.

Maybe a real sugar man can tell us more.

The one at Jakes is the one from Olde Wharf. Fact. I was there when they got it and took it over.

If the one at Jakes is THE sugar pot, was it taken without permission? Did it actually belong to someone so permission could have been asked and granted? Could it have been purchased at a fair price from the owner?

Depending on the answers to these questions, Jakes may very well be entitled to keep the sugar pot and even sell it should they desire.

In addition, Jakes is a hotel and restaurant and bar and it is there for the enjoyment of their own guests and customers. It would be difficult to believe they would welcome crowds coming to see the sugar pot who do not care to buy some food or drink.

It would be difficult to believe crowds would be coming to see the sugar pot period. I have found foreigners are more interested in artifacts that we are. Not saying that is right, just my observation.

Ahh Sweet there are certain artifacts that will make most heads swell. Especially if they are presented well and described clearly.

I hope we can surprise y'all one day with this experience.

In the meantime, the National Galley and the Institute of Jamaica are waiting to take you on a trip into the past.

Pardon my rehashing old threads, but I am very fascinated with all the past discussions. This sugar pot I remember, but what I wonder about, and no one has mentioned,is the history of this pot, and Old Wharf. How did the pot get to where it used to be and how did Old Wharf get its name? History please anyone.

I snorkel a lot in Old Wharf and after a storm, you can see all the timbers and old yellow bricks from the wharf at the bottom of the sea. I was there again just after Nicole and they are once again visible on the sea bottom. They will be covered up with sand shortly though. I too have been trying to find more on the history of the wharf and would love to know more.
I understand that this region actually used grow sugar which is a surprise considering how dry it is but that would explain why they sugar pots were there.

I wonder if the sailing boats mentioned earlier are the last or a remnant of the boats that used to trade around the island? Black River to Old Wharf and on to Kingston? Logwood, Mahogany, private cargo and any passengers that could be picked up on the way.

If the boilers are cast iron, they were probably made late 18th to mid 19th Century. The early ones were made of copper, thus the name that stuck even when Carron and Coalbrookdale were casting iron for the Indies.