NO to jet-ski's

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: NO to jet-ski's
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NO jet-skis on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:43 am: Edit Post

seeing what is happening in the way of some new large vacation villas, and knowing some of the proposed plans for treasure beach, could we possibly establish a "no jet-ski" zone along some of our coastline BEFORE they become a way of life here?

apart from being noisy they are very dangerous to our swimmers.

JET/anyone - do you know how to go about doing this?
should there be a community meeting on this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just saying.. on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 10:50 am: Edit Post

Why those people hate to see Treasure Beach develop? Treasure Beach is a tourist Community don't you think it would be extremely awsome to have jetskis to accommodate the tourist? There aren't many place in St.Elizabeth where Jetskis are available..so i think it would be an awsome idea for Treasure Beach to have jetskis...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBPeace on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 12:40 pm: Edit Post

I would say drive to Negril if you want to jet ski.From my perspective Treasure Beach is trying to be a different tourist destination and in the long run would be better off to say no to common tourist attractions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

I have a ton people here in British Columbia that would love to come and jet ski. Especially during spring break. They would need lots of beer and licker too. We would also need to have the ambulance on full alert for whites overdoses.

Better still, bring in some cigar boats, sleek and super powerful, filled with bathing beauties. The crowd from Kingston and MoBay will flock in and probably have a race day. A giant fishing tournament would be the highlight. Fish could be flown in from anywhere there are fish.

Condoms would have to be freely provided and when Girls Gone Wild hears about it, JTB would have to clear the way with dispatch.

We would need to pen up some sea cow and dolphins to have them as a side show too.

Don't forget some crocodiles and iguanas. License can get.

There could be a constant clash of the DJ's, with $ coming in for all sorts of film rights and associated jobs. The Sports Park would then come into it's own.

I can see it now, I'd start my project as a tent town with portolets, security guards and sell spaces for food etc.

$ would not short and everyone would be busy. Shopkeepers, room rental, police and jugglers.

Of couse I'm overstating and exagerating the possible outcomes. Possible though! Point is that we have been offered the possibility of a so called 'eco tourism destination'. Ms McCauley and others have discussed this here. Gas powered, noisy water craft are not compatible with encouraging dolphins, manatee etc to come closer in.

Then again Just Saying...is it that you are dreaming of having the jet skis available for yourself?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By reality on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 08:58 am: Edit Post

Is there no positive things to speak about on this website? yes you are saying a sensible thing but why just keep adding and adding to the already overblown issues that are already being 'fought about'. I am not saying you are wrong to say what you did but this is not only a tourist destination......everything cannot be done to satisfy tourists. there are citizens here who may enjoy recreational things like jet skiing etc and you are right about providing for secluded areas for swimming but please remember that Treasure Beach is also the home of active individuals and not just tourists. It is becoming too complicated and it should stop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just Saying on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:27 pm: Edit Post

To Turey.No I am not,everyone use to enjoy coming on this site but it turn out to be a tag-a-war site,everything is a problem even when it should not be.This site was the best.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 03:58 pm: Edit Post

Yes it would be easier to go with the flow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By agree no jetskis on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 05:21 pm: Edit Post

i really do not care if jet skis are allowed in treasure beach or not, and its not my children or family in the water swimming that might get hurt.
i can drown out the noise of those water crafts by wearing my earplugs, and i can leave here when i want to, and return to the peace and quiet of smalltown u.s.a.
but i speak to those of you that have houses for rent and depend on a more environmentally aware visitor who choose to visit here because it is peaceful, and to those of you who live in treasure beach because it is not like any other jamaican town or village.
it is to all of you that i urge to implement a "no jetski" zone, before its too late.
most of all i speak to those of you who have children and/or simply appreciate that where you live is unique and relatively quiet. we do not want to experience someone innocent harmed or killed as happens in so many coastal towns of late because of some reckless somebody playing on a high powered water vehicle.
these are YOUR children.
look after them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:54 pm: Edit Post

I am thinking of starting a new thread. A thread that has been talked about over and over and over on this site. Debated and debated. Which one shall I pick...Hmmm...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Diana McCaulay on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 09:08 am: Edit Post

I think concerns about jet skis are entirely justified. Treasure Beach presents such a different type of experience to Negril or Ocho Rios, and folks who want that type of crowded, frenetic visit or life will and should continue to go there. Jet skis are not only noisy;they are dangerous and several people have died in jet ski accidents in Jamaica - these are generally hushed up. As I said right at the beginning when I began to monitor this forum, Treasure Beach is on the edge of losing what has made it so special, and people do have to decide right now what they want for their community. In terms of stopping jet skis, I am sorry to say this is difficult. As far as I am aware, there are only two approaches that have sort of worked in Jamaica - one, where the jet skiers themselves have agreed to limits as to where they will ride, and the second, where swim lanes have been established to keep jet skis and other motorized craft away from swimmers. I also think that the JHTA has been trying to get regulations for jet skis for many moons without success, but stand to be corrected on that.
Diana from JET


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By me too on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 08:58 am: Edit Post

By TBPeace on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 12:40 pm: Edit Post
I would say drive to Negril if you want to jet ski.From my perspective Treasure Beach is trying to be a different tourist destination and in the long run would be better off to say no to common tourist attractions.

I agree


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 11:52 am: Edit Post

Lake type canoes and kayaks are great upper body excercise. They glide silently and offer an intimate sea experience. Life jackets and knowlege of water is a must. A guide better still.

Maybe Vikes still offers such things.

I remember Kingston Harbour as crystal clear and sweet. We could swim and fish, sharks were around, a good sign of health. It smells of Jeyes fluid, oil and XXXXXX now.

When I rant on so, it is in protest at a direction that I have seen full cycle.

If it make anyone brain tired, so it go, take some vitamin B complex.

One jet ski would be opening the already creaking door to costly thrills.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Yawn on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 08:07 am: Edit Post

It will never cease to amaze me that there are people who actually think that jet skis, planes on the Great Pond, the over use of concrete and unsightly plazas is really considered 'progress'. Let me assure you that the tourists who come to Treasure Beach come to GET AWAY from those things! Why is it that people don't understand this? Treasure Beach is SPECIAL...get it...SPECIAL because it does not have these things. You can go anywhere in the world and find jet skis but you can't go just anywhere and find peace, tranquility and a simple but intellectually progressive way of life. THAT is progress.

And before anybody starts saying something about being an 'outsider', I am a born Yardie and grew up in Treasure Beach.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB......C on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 11:34 am: Edit Post

Would it hurt to allow jet-ski in TB for a few hours a day..... few days a week? That way those who need to be entertained and those who need the peace would both get a piece of the pie!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tone on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

I would vote NO to jet skis. We do not need that noise and recklessness in Treasure Beach. We are not trying to be like every other big resort town in JA. Treasure Beach's value is in it's beauty and simplicity, in the peace and quiet, in the fact that we are NOT like Negril and MoBay and Ocho Rios, etc.

So many people seem to think "progress" for TB has to mean things like sea planes and sports parks and jet skis. Why can't we see progress in other terms? We don't need to turn TB into Negril to make money. That is not what draws tourists to our community.

TIFA is progress, the work of TBWG is progress, BREDS Source is progress, VIJON is progress ... we do not need to be bigger, more mechanized, glitzier, flashier. We need to strengthen our commitment to community-based tourism, to sustaining ourselves and our community without trying to transform TB into another Negril.

Am I saying we shouldn't push for modern roads, and a reliable water supply? Of course not. We need to live comfortably, safely and well. Am I saying we can't have any modernizations? Of course not. We need and want the same opportunities for ourselves and our children as people in other communities. I just hope we can find a way to have these things and keep our culture and community in tact at the same time. We let ourselves be ill-informed about the canal and look what has happened. We can't afford to keep our eyes closed as other people turn our community and our landscape into something it was never meant to be.

I agree that there has been a lot of division on the site lately. That's part of the reason I've been silent for such a long time. I think this division and debate is good and healthy (as long as it stays respectful and sensitive), and I think we need to have these conversations because TB is changing and we need to make sure we take charge of that change so that we still have a community we all can love and call home in another 10 years, in another 20. We cannot think of short-term solutions that look like money but lead to destruction of what we all claim to hold dear.

Well, this is much longer than I'd planned, but it is important to me, and I hope it is to all who read here, too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sheriff on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 06:59 am: Edit Post

are any of you citizens of treasure beach and are we having problems with jet ski's at the moment


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keep Us Quiet on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 01:47 pm: Edit Post

To Tone and Yawn - I agree with you the things that make Treasure Beach special are exactly those things we have other places do NOT have - peace, tranquility, quiet, friendly people. Visitors can walk our streets and be greeted with genuine smiles. Adding jet skis, sea planes and a noisy sports park blasting late at night will be the ruin of Treasure Beach. If people want those things they will not even bother to drive all the way to Treasure Beach because they can find all that mess much closer to the airport.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By contemplating a return on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 06:06 pm: Edit Post

These unnecessary arguments are the main reasons why I will not be returning to treasure beach for my yearly summer vacations. you people need to stop these arguments cuz it is chasing people away from the district. seriously...........i told lots of my friends and family aboutt treasure beach...they visit and tell others and we have been doing this for years...then out comes these arguments which makes tb look soo bad. we are not coming back until we see a change in the conversations on this site.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keep it simple on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 04:15 pm: Edit Post

Take a look at Jakes. It is probably the most successful hotel on the south coast of Jamaica. For many years tourists have endured the long road from the airport to come to this special hotel. Why? It's different. It doesn't look like most hotels you see advertised around the island. It is small, quiet, has limited water sports, no fancy jacuzzi, no disco, no swim-up bar or huge pool or all inclusive atmosphere. And thankfully no jet skis. Jakes is one of the places that originally put Treasure Beach on the map and has set the tone in the village for low impact community tourism. Now this community has guests returning year after year exactly because it is not like all the other tourist areas. Please try to understand how important it is to preserve that vision and by all means if you want to go jet-skiing or fly in a sea plane, go to Negril.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stephanie on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 08:25 pm: Edit Post

Hi Turey,

FYI you can still rent kayaks and mt.bikes from Vikes wife Stephanie- Contact # is 386-4495

There are tandem Ocean Kayak Malibu II XLs- these are great beginner kayaks nearly impossible to tip. Can hold two adults and a child or an adult can paddle solo.

Guides and life jackets are provided, and there are some great trips to make in the area, no matter the condition of the sea, for example, paddling the sheltered bay from Parottee Beach to Pelican Bar for sunset is a ONCE IN A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE.

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Another fun excursion we like to do on Sundays is go to a small village on the Black River and launch the boats on a section of the river that has no crocs, but amazing scenery with crystal clear water. You can swim, fish and we haul our own fish pots, if there is anything in the pot, lunch can be prepped riverside - but if not, we can paddle to Sister Lou's for a cold drink and her famous stuffed crab backs. Back at the village, a sound system, bounce about and night lighting for bold swimmers is free. This is not a tourist attraction, but all the visiters we have brought have thouroughly enjoyed the vibe and were welcomed with open arms by the village, who at present, rely on this spot for their water.

Not so far afield, the ponds are great for kayaking. Really beautiful with the pond cakes in bloom.



FYI- I tend to agree, jet skis in TB sound about as appealing as sea planes buzzing overhead...
When I've received an email from a potential guest asking how far the nearest casino is I tend to point those visiters to a place more suited to that type of thing--then again no problem to stay in TB and make a day trip to Negril if you love nature but also want to jet ski...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 11:54 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Stephanie. I'll pass this on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Realist on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 03:02 pm: Edit Post

To "contemplating a return" - I do not know where you live and it really doesn't matter. I am willing to bet there are controversies about some things where you live. There are probably also alot of good things about where you live. There is also probably a daily newspaper which includes things about where you live such as births and deaths and marriages, crimes, layoffs at a local employer and sports news. If I read your newspaper, would it make me not want to visit you - even if it spoke of controversies? I don't think so. TB.net is not a daily newspaper but it is the closest thing we have here. I can't imagine ANY place on earth that does not have arguments and controversies. Being allowed to give an opinion in writing is one of the things that makes places a democracy. Including Treasure Beach. If we did not write things on TB.net this would not mean there are no arguments. It would only mean we are living in a place where saying your opinion was not allowed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mnken on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 07:50 am: Edit Post

'contemplating a return' not returning because of comments on this site is silly. Walk the streets and you would never know there is any reasoning going on. "If a tree falls in a forest".......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By looking forward to harmony on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 09:51 am: Edit Post

To contemplating a return:
I am sorry you will not be coming back to TB because I honestly don't think you would see any change in the people or feel a different vibe. I happen to think that the conversations on this forum are healthy and actually good for the community because it proves how many people really care what goes on here and gives those people a voice. Everyone has their chance to be heard, regardless of their opinion on one side or another of the issues. It gives people a sense of empowerment, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's long overdue. I don't know how many people read this forum, but I've heard that the website sometimes gets thousands of hits per day. Treasure Beach has a huge extended community of local residents, visitors, returning residents, expats, villa owners and yardies living abroad who all have one thing in common. We love Treasure Beach and care about the people here and what the future holds for them. There will always be differences of opinion, but ideally this new sense of empowerment generated in part by this forum will encourage people to step forward and perhaps eventually all of the local community groups including BREDS, the Treasure Beach Women's Group, Fishermen's Co-op, Farmer's Association, The Kennedy's Treasure Beach Foundation and others can come together and work together in harmony for the betterment of all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bravo on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 06:44 pm: Edit Post

Bravo to Looking Forward to Harmony. No one could have said this better. Thank you you for being able to distinguish facts from unecessary exaggeration so clearly. No matter what is discussed here, we are a very excellent community and we are even better because of the different views expresed on TB.net.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 09:01 pm: Edit Post

Yes, thanks Looking Forward to Harmony. I hope your post gets copied and passed around the community with others when the time comes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By to keep it simple on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

Completely agree abut Jakes. A gem of a place. What you might not know is the owner of Jakes is the same person who is pushing so hard for sea planes to land in Treasure Beach. Go figure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By to sheriff on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 01:21 pm: Edit Post

to sheriff:
i am a citizen of jamaica and live in treasure beach.
i did not realize that treasure beach had its own citizenship process but if that is needed to have a valid opinion submitted of anything happening here, then please advise how i can apply to become a citizen.

there are no problems with jetskis at the moment, however there are plans made already for some to be brought here.

it is usually better to prevent or monitor that kind of "sport" rather than to get rid of them. better to prevent someone being hurt or killed than organizing the ambulance or a funeral.

why wait till it is too late when you can avoid the hassle?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By nevermind on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 08:02 am: Edit Post

For the record - ONE of the owners of Jake's is pushing for the seaplanes. The person who designed the place and had the idea is someone else altogether.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 4 the Record on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 09:27 am: Edit Post

No matter who had the IDEA for the sea planes, Mr. Henzell made it quite clear in a public meeting he was the person who was pushing for them. He was sitting on the dais at the meeting, conducting the meeting. He was the one who gave the speech at the meeting. He was the one who had gone to Kingston to seek permission for the sea planes to land on the Great Pond. He was the one who was conducting the talks with the pilot and with the company in Canada who owns the sea planes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Wint on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 02:48 pm: Edit Post

I love this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By UK Jean on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 12:13 pm: Edit Post

My enterprising young friend was hoping to start a jet ski business in TB but to be honest I do not think he has a cat in hells chance of it ever taking off as there are not enough people/tourists to make it worth while. I should imagine you need insurance to, which wont be cheap. Then most of the time the sea in Frenchman is too rough.

I must say that I hated the noise and the smell of them when in Ocho Rios and the beach had to be sectioned off.

I remember a few years ago someone bringing one down the lane by Golden Sands, reversing down to the sea and unloading it, I swear they were only in the sea with it less than 5 minutes but unbeknown to them the vehicle which was carrying the jet ski was sinking in the sand. Me and the guys watched them from Coot's bar trying to dig it out for over 2 hours!!! I suppose you had to be there but it was funny.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By to ukjean on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 03:18 pm: Edit Post

To:UK Jean.
Please try and dissuade your friend from starting a jet ski business.
Apart from being dangerous they are so noisy and intrusive to ones peace and quiet, which is what most people seem to treasure about this part of jamaica.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 07:07 pm: Edit Post

We've received several email in this thread which contained an unsubstantiated rumor and have had to reject them. It has to do with the death of Stevie Moxam (RIP) on the day that jet skis were in the area. Please understand that with such a sensitive topic we are going to be very careful on what we approve.

For those of you who wish to read about Stevie's tragic death, here are relevant threads:
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/discus/messages/5278/6684.html
/discus/messages/8121/9833.html
/discus/messages/1584/7572.html

Thank you for your understanding.

-TBNet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeanie Olson on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 06:17 pm: Edit Post

Jet skis are destructive to a beautiful and fragile area. Jet skis are dangerous, obnoxious and noisy, as well as polluting and ugly. Please, no jet skis!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 07:15 am: Edit Post

It seems, once again, we need to state TB.Net reserves the option to not post any messages we feel are out of bounds. We highly recommend everyone read over your posts before sending them to make sure there is nothing in your post which is not within the guidelines, specifically insulting someone else's opinion if you do not agree with them. These messages should not and will not be posted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By M. on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 05:02 pm: Edit Post

RE: By mnken on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 07:50 am

'contemplating a return' not returning because of comments on this site is silly. Walk the streets and you would never know there is any reasoning going on. "If a tree falls in a forest".......

I couldn't agree with you more. It's funny, I always expect to hear whatever buzz is going on on tb.net to seep into the streets of Treasure beach, but it doesn't. It's not like you arrive in TB and are assaulted with talk of Sports parks, sea planes, jet skis, traffic speed, speed bumps, tranquility bay, loud music, etc...

It just isn't so.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keep it sweet on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 04:29 pm: Edit Post

Keep things sweet and relatively quiet please. That's what keeps us coming back. If we wanted to hear planes and jet skis we could do so right in MoBay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wisconsin on Saturday, September 05, 2009 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

The reason my wife & I come to TB, as opposed to North Coast / Negril etc, is for peaceful tranquility that these other areas simply do not possess anymore. Jetskis are not a part of TB for a reason - they do not foster peace and tranquility - a commodity that is increasingly rare in the world. Persons who visit places like TB are generally respectful to local persons and the environment. Places where jetskis and the like are prevalent in JA - many persons are not respectful in any fashion or form. The choice seems obvious. I have traveled 17 times to JA in my lifetime, the last 6 we have spent in TB - our choice is obvious - just ask the staff at Great Escape, where we have stayed recently, how they see new persons new to JA react to the space and place called TB - peace and tranquility prevails - respect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By nurse ratchet on Saturday, September 05, 2009 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

By Wisconsin on Saturday, September 05, 2009 - 09:10 am: Edit Post
The reason my wife & I come to TB, as opposed to North Coast / Negril etc, is for peaceful tranquility that these other areas simply do not possess anymore. Jetskis are not a part of TB for a reason - they do not foster peace and tranquility - a commodity that is increasingly rare in the world. Persons who visit places like TB are generally respectful to local persons and the environment. Places where jetskis and the like are prevalent in JA - many persons are not respectful in any fashion or form. The choice seems obvious. I have traveled 17 times to JA in my lifetime, the last 6 we have spent in TB - our choice is obvious - just ask the staff at Great Escape, where we have stayed recently, how they see new persons new to JA react to the space and place called TB - peace and tranquility prevails - respect

Amen!