Where goes the log?

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Where goes the log?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

As the now dead Lignum Vitae tree discussed here was cut on lands belonging to the Government of Jamaica, the log/timber/lumber belongs to the Government of Jamaica.

In the old days such things would go to the Department of Supply on Shalimar Ave for public auction. The whole procedure carefully documented.

As an item of high value now in the public eye, I would appreciate it if it is traced intact to the auction where I will be ready to make a bid. Any other disposal of it I believe would be illegal. Anyone owning it or a peice would have recieved stolen goods, worst, property of the GOJ.

Check Lignum Vitae on ebay for values. Prices in exotic wood shops would be higher and for a log with an intact and lovely heartwood the value would be considerable.

Keep those pictures coming and let us know where the log goes!

Maybe one of our local wood carvers could be commissioned by the Goverment to work with it as a central piece for the Park.

No I will not say who it could portray ;-)

Now where is John Maxwell?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 01:59 pm: Edit Post

"My personal goal is to plant at least one tree for every block that I have acquired"

http://www.lignum-vitae.com/story.htm

Replanting at least an equal number of trees cut would be a good direction for this and other clearances.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By littlemamalisa on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 04:42 pm: Edit Post

My gosh Turey - Love the Positive Spin! A carving in the park!!! Genius :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tree Hugger on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

You, Turey, are assuming the disposition of this tree will be handled accordingly to law. I would hope you are correct. Instead I am wondering if BREDS thinks the tree belongs to them and will dispose of it as they see fit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By boiling on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 05:38 pm: Edit Post

Turey

Whoes side ar you on.The poor natives or the rich Government that does nothing for the community of Treasure Beach.

What will one old tree do for them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By No small ting on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 09:07 pm: Edit Post

How about someone pressing charges? This was a crime and the time has come to start looking to the future of the community. Will the whole area be paved in 10 years. I think since this is a crime someone should be prosecuted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 09:09 pm: Edit Post

Cool down boiling.

You bring up a good point.

I never had to pick sides before.

I pick the side of the log. Carcass of one of the old helpers of TB.

Oxygenator of air, home of communities of insects and lizards, shade for the hot, a symbol chosen to represent Ja, esteemed spirit wood of our Native American ancestors and a beauty to behold.

There are poor in pocket, spirit and manners. I am always at the call of the first two when asked. I keep from the third.

I thought that this tree may serve to wake OUR Government to greater responsibility for our Chlorophyll Companions, trees especially. The mild encouragement of Organic Farming is a start. Time for Mild done. I'm not against reaping mature trees, there is a correct procedure and selection. However, if replanting is not done the direction of desertification is encouraged. That's poor.

I hope that the material of any rare woods that are available through hurricane, man etc get to be used by local craftspeople.

There is a 'Totem' pole from the Ja Taino at the Ja National Gallery. A local version would be apt.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Coppa on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 07:04 am: Edit Post

Boiling, Turey is just making statements corncerning what cannot be reversed. Sometimes you do have to see the forest for the trees. Even though this a is a big concern, it is a good idea to find good that can be done within this bad thing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Legal or Not? on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 08:49 pm: Edit Post

Boiling, exactly what do you propose?

Please remember this string was started because it appears as if the law may have been broken, and Turey is suggesting what he believes to be a lawful way to handle what has happened.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By pity on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 09:16 am: Edit Post

Most of the limbs (with the exception of two not worthwhile to take) were gone by the time the photos were taken.One can presume the limbs were sold to wood carvers who are always looking to buy lignum vitae wood. Who got that money? I have no answer to that.

I think the huge log should be placed somewhere prominent, and "used" in some sort of educational way ... have a written history by it, of how long it takes to grow to that size, why these trees should not be cut down, why we should be planting more, what tress do for the universe etc.

lets learn from our mistakes before its too late.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

Legal or Not, if Lignum Vitae is indeed a protected tree then a law has been broken in it's cutting. If no law, no illegality. Unless it was cut without the permission of the Government. That would be destruction of property.

There may be rules about the export of Lignum lumber or products. We were asked to provide a few thousand Lignum pistol handle blanks for Smith and Wesson years ago. I think there was an export problem even though we would have used salvaged wood.

If the log is owned by the GOJ, it would be illegal for anyone to remove it without Govenment's permission.

If the tree was cut to order for material, when is the next one going to be cut when material runs out?

And the next etc etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mnken on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 05:01 pm: Edit Post

Hey Turey!
Still love your writings, but with all due respect,I am not so sure posting this knowledge was a good idea.
One can draw a comparison to harvesting ivory from the tusks of elephants. And we all know how that story goes...
Quantity (plus) quality (divided)by time to mature (equals) value..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mnken on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:09 pm: Edit Post

Pity, that is a great idea. And maybe there should be a turtle shell next to it and educate people on them too. Seriously. If people do not go to learn, let the learning go to them.
I think people will care once they know the details.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 08:38 pm: Edit Post

I understand mnken, I am hoping the greater understanding will encourage it's protection and planting. I have to hope, the alternative is not on.

The prices out of Ja cannot be realised in Jamaica. The value added here is to make cutting boards, mortar and pestles and carvings.

West Indian Ebony is even more valuable. It's all over Kingston, Clarendon etc. So far the only use I have seen is fence posts after the old curio turners stopped their work and the exotic wood dealers stopped visiting Jamaica.

I hope to have seedlings of these and other trees available. Hope.