Relativity of $.

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Relativity of $.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 08:12 pm: Edit Post

Y'all thought you'd get away this week without something to chew on!

Imagine say 12 people. The thought experiment works best if they stand in a circle.

Give each say a US$100 with the freedom to do what they each will with it.

Now, imagine how each will spend it.

Got it?

Some will buy bling, some will give to the needy, some will bank it and some will invest it in their business etc.

So, every $ has different potential depending on who controls it.

Obvious, but worth considering.

How did I spend my smalls this week? What are the consequences of the exchanges?

How are the Trillions floating around being utilized?

Where did each one of the Trillions come from and how were they generated?

How many of these $ potentiate cruelty and injustice and how many encourage learning and creativity?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada 1 on Friday, May 01, 2009 - 08:59 pm: Edit Post

Turey what is the point of your email?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 09:02 am: Edit Post

Since the Webpersons seem to tolerate these occassional musings Canada 1. More to chew on this weekend.

Dem se: "Time is Money".

Is Time a function of Money or is Money a function of Time?

Or: does Money depend on Time, or does Time depend on Money.

How do we spend our Time and how do we spend our Money?

Is 'killing time' not a telling phrase?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:02 am: Edit Post

Hi Canada 1, watch how you and others spend $.

Economics watches the rate of circulation of $.

I was observing that each transaction is determined by the spender and what is bought has an effect on things.

Joe buys a gun with his $100, Bobby buys a toolset. Both transactions increase the speed of circulation of money.

Joe uses his gun to rob, Bobby is inspired by said toolset and becomes a mechanical engineer.

According to Economics each $100 has the same value. In the spending, the outcomes are totally different and the $'s have different effects.

Hmm, maybe I should stick to sustainable development and leave Economics to the Economists. Some do appear to be clueless at this time.

Major point was for us to be conscious how we direct our spending and be aware of how we save or what we invest in. Do I buy seeds, tools and land or do I invest in a successful bomb manufacturer. I may make more with the bomb maker!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada1 on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 05:40 pm: Edit Post

Turey, yes I get what you are saying however since alot of locals read this website and I"m guessing not many of them have alot to spend let alone "save" this may not be an appropriate post....just an observation thats all.

I do certainly watch my spending, or should I say my husband does!!.....closely! :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 09:47 am: Edit Post

When $'s are tight that's when it's most important to pay attention to how we use them.

Easy to spend, now more difficult to replace.

I wonder if anyone has studied the connection between money and anxiety.

Lack of money creates anxiety.

Lots of money may cause worry/anxiety about it's safety and some may agonise about getting more....MORE.....

Is money the root of all evil?

The LOVE of money is certainly the root of some evil.

The LACK of money is the root of much anxiety.

My experience is that most people in TB are open to reasoning about anything Canada 1, monied or not.

I hope the close $ watching is not causing anxiety Ca 1.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chiming In on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 03:46 pm: Edit Post

I saw this very experiment done on Oprah with interesing results... which maybe only proves "How would you spend your money if the whole world was watching?"

I would love to try this on my Sunday School class as a lesson in stewardship (on a smaller scale of course) What we'd all like to hear is "Well done thou good and faithful servant" (Matt 25:21) But I would dare to say that cash isn't what these kids are short of, it's time, as you suggest. I wonder what they would do with 100 free hours? If time is money, would they spend their souls away? For riches surely make themselves wings, they fly away as an eagle toward heaven." (Proverbs 23:5)

Anxiety comes from lack - lack of anything. The perception of 'not enough' manifests itself in fear and selfishness - perhaps really the root of all evil?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 11:10 pm: Edit Post

Hi Chiming In, I'll try to see the Oprah experiment and would like to hear your results if you try.

Is there ultimate evil? Are there degrees of evil and /or is evil relative to the time and place?

Are we born in/into evil or are we bouncing between our DNA, our environment, our choices and the local moralities/taboos?

Is there an eternal record of our actions and are the Laws of Karma real? So you sow, so you reap?

The ideas of 'Satan' and 'Sin' are aspects of our culture that can be the source of much Anxiety...Tension....Depression. They also serve as limits on what can be aweful behaviour.

Sorry, no point really. A Sunday night rant.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Coppa on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 01:18 pm: Edit Post

To equate money to time is to equate it to life. I Think such an analogy is used only to further the thought of money being the ruler of all things. See time and time alone rules. All we do is time based, all we are is time based. I believe being short on money allows people to live more the way we're intended. Not frivolously as most people are used to. This is likely to result in time being 'spent' in a proper manner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By one man on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 01:39 am: Edit Post

turey, the sages tell us that the Laws of Karma only exists for those of us who are considered unenlightened. It is believed that some have gone beyond the dictates of Karma wherein the paradigm of time no longer exist (Nirvana).

Time cannot equal money (good point coppa) because while the availability of money rises and falls, time is infinite, and, by definition, cannot be lengthened or shortened. Father time is always sitting there watching us, and the only "alteration" of time is what we do while it's sitting and watching.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chiming In on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 07:58 pm: Edit Post

I think both time and money are imposed by culture. Life CAN exist without either one. Maybe only Love can exist on its own, and everything else hangs on this one, fragile thing... so the question is, how do we spend our love?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, May 04, 2009 - 08:53 pm: Edit Post

Yes Coppa. Short of $ is a learning time.

A big test is if a portion of $ drop pon yu. Now, there is a greater choice of use of time. Both for good and not.

The 'eye of the needle' was not a barrier for the rich in $, but the rich in Pride, Greed, Envy etc. All the things that rob the quality of spending time/experiencing life. So I understand it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 08:39 am: Edit Post

Talk bout time, when I was small, I reconned time by the hours that dragged on....and on.

I start to relate time now in decades. I still count pennies but spend pounds, with greater focus and understanding of the consequences of these transactions.

Ahh One Man, being in the world but not of the world.....without dissociating. High Functioning. And without dragging some ego into the mix and becoming a 'spiritual tyrant'. Seen it! This is one of the cautions.

Our Taino. The brief experience of a reportedly dramatic Nirvana-like state was what the Cohoba Ceremony was all about. No 'kicks', but to have followed a very disciplined and rigourous training to be the beyond-the-ordinary eyes and ears for the community. No wonder it was supressed.

Is Love the passing hormonal libation that tickles our souls? Or, something innexplicable and always mysterious. Always needing our attention and caring to keep it alive, both the inner love and the outer ones.

Is this not what we are 'designed' for?

Peace and Love. Quite and caring are fruits of this.