Stop the noise

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Stop the noise
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By no more loudspeakers on Saturday, April 18, 2009 - 06:51 am: Edit Post

What is the point, other than to aggravate residents and visitors, of a car driving through Treasure Beach at 6:30am. on a Saturday. yes THIS MORNING.
with the loudspeakers blaring ..
On prinicipal I would not support whatever it was announcing,
but apart from that, one cannot even tell what it is announcing.
It sounds like garbled garbage, meant only to annoy those enjoying their peaceful Saturday morning.
Can we please stop whoever it is that insists on disturbing us?
In fact, can someone please tell me who it is that is doing this?
The people who come to TB for the quiet - who are trying to escape their own noisy cities and towns for a week or two - will simply find somewhere else to go after being jolted awake by this loud nonsense.
And then what will we hear complaints of?
"what happen to di touriss dem? mi dont mek a money fi a long time now".
Well , note from now .. it is us shoooing them away with our foolishness and lack of respect for anothers right to quiet.
If anyone has a good way to make money (legally!) when the tourists have all gone, please, let us know that too, because I for one will be looking a money too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By May Be Of Use on Saturday, April 18, 2009 - 06:41 pm: Edit Post

There is a Noise Abatement Act which, in effect, says no person shall, on any private permises or in any public place at any time of day or night:

(a) sing, or sound or play upon any musical or noisy instrument; or

(b) operate, or permit or cause to be operated, any loudspeaker, microphone or any other device for the amplification of sound, in such a manner that the sound is audible beyond a distance
of one hundred metres from the source of such sound and is reasonably capable of causing annoyance to persons in the vicinity of any dwelling house, hospital, nursing home, infirmary, hotel or guest houses.

I am not an attorney. If I were you, I would call one to be sure this noise is a violation. If it is, get the auto's license plate number and call the police.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Totally Fed Up on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 07:43 am: Edit Post

well ... this a.m. we have more noise to talk about. There was a sound system in TB last night that woke the dead - I am not kidding. It is no wonder people don't follow the laws here when such nonsense can go on. Sea planes, car stereos, car loud-speakers, racing maniac taxis drivers - we might as well be in Kingston!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sleepy on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 08:51 am: Edit Post

In my opinion the music system playing at Frenchman's Reef Restaurant last night went way beyond "normal" noise level. I live over a mile away and could not even think of sleeping. When I called the police to complain they said they had a permit. I quoted the 100 meter law of the noise abatement act and held the phone out for them to hear how loud it was where I lived. 1 1/2 hours later at 1 in the morning the noise was finally turned down. But if I could still clearly hear it that was still louder than the law permits. When I called the police I asked if the system would be shut off at 2 as the law states. The officer told me it would absolutely be shut off at 2. At 3;30 this morning it was still going.

First I will not patronized this restaruant as they have clearly shown there lack of respect for the members of this community by playing there music so loud. I am all for a nice street dance, but there is no need for such volume. I wonder if people standing there could even have a conversation. I cant help but think of all the elderly and children living near there being forced to listen to the DJ screaming into his microphone all night yelling out all kinds of disrespectful language.

Second I wonder why the police choose not to enforce a law which is there to protect the many when a few take advantage of and disturb an entire community.

Was anyone else disturbed by this and did you call the police? Until the police start to enforce this law we will not have a choice but to put up with sleepless nights. As I lay in my bed forced awake last night I was wondering if it was this loud in Negril.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 09:52 am: Edit Post

Thanks, this answers my question about selfishness and coarseness.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By P***ed Off on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 09:38 am: Edit Post

My rule of thumb is - was the music bothering more people than it was entertaining? And the answer is YES! When I called the Pedro Plains police at midnight they said they could hear it up there and had sent a car to Frenchmen's Reef. I guess they joined the party because I didn't notice any difference. The community has to understand you can't have that kind of disrespect for the people of the community AND have tourism. E' nah work!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Angry on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 02:35 pm: Edit Post

Permits, permits, permits. These are nothing more than permits to disturb others in order to make money. You are worried about the seaplane service? Think how the permits for evening entertainnment at the Sports Park will allow the whole community to be kept awake by noise pollution. I am more concened about this then the noise from the seaplanes because I don't believe they fly at night. If one restaurant can get by with such disgusting noise pollution and show no concern for the community, are we to expect the operators of the Sports Park will show one bit more consideration?

Everyone who hears these noises should call the police. Over and over and over.

This kind of disregard for the lives of others will end up killing tourism in Treasure Beach. Residents can't move, but tourists do not have to return.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By music man on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 03:17 pm: Edit Post

p****d,
how do you know the answer? if you are in your house how do you know how many people were being entertained? Everybody wants to shape the community into their own little personal paradise. Not everyone is bothered by loud music. Some find a way to sleep through it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mnken on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 06:33 pm: Edit Post

Awe heck. Don't worry about us tourists. We will keep coming back. If the problems mentioned on this website are the only things ya'll need to worry about... we'll all be fine. And we'll all be back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By resident on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 04:49 pm: Edit Post

If the police could hear the music being played in Frenchmans all the way up at Station. I think that is beyond loud and way beyond acceptable. I would think it is a pretty safe guess that more people were disturbed by the noise last night than those who enjoyed it based on the population of the area. You just don't hear from them because they know to complain about it does no good.

I live in Calabash Bay and it kept me awake until after 4 this morning. I love music, but I also love my sleep and I should have the right to a good night sleep in my own home.

I would like to see a community where no one forces their music onto me and I don't force mine onto them until the early hour of the morning and when anyone wants to sleep at night, they can. That to me would be everyones paradise. It all comes down to respect for others.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By THE LAW on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 05:25 pm: Edit Post

Forget about the rule of thumb. The rule of LAW means this type of noise is outlawed. Music man - what about the people who do NOT find a way to sleep through it? Hint: The answer is not WELL, THEN YOU WILL SUFFER FOR OTHER PEOPLES SELFISHNESS. Is it too much to ask for people to not disturb others by being inconsiderate?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noni on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 06:15 pm: Edit Post

Has anyone reported the police lack of response to the Superintendent in Black River. I understand he is a reasonable man. If I was there that's what I would do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 05:09 pm: Edit Post

I don't agree that everyone wants to shape TB into their personal paradise music man.

There are some that dream about potentiating the paradise that is hidden just under the surface for all to benefit.

Music is food for my soul. It has to be served in a way that I can.....drift away.

Let's talk and not keep bucking heads. There are ways for all to enjoy their thing without affecting anyone else.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By jammin on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 06:01 pm: Edit Post

Why don't you just join the party .............


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sick on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 08:43 pm: Edit Post

I live along way from the session last night and I could hear it like it was in my house. At 1:30 they went through a whole thing about the "batty man" and what should happen to them. We should join in that? I think jammin needs to think a little more clearly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mad head on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 07:27 pm: Edit Post

how much persons here talking are from Treasure beach, this is Jamaica see and blind, hear and deaf, some people a try promote some tings from weh day, try know wat yu all do doing it a gangsta's paradise


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 08:50 pm: Edit Post

I'm the first one to party Jammin, but the old bones need regular REM sleep.

As do we all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By to: mnken on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 07:13 pm: Edit Post

to "mnken"

as you yourself said, you are a visitor to treasure beach, you do not live here.
you are not being subjected to what we have to go through with the noise on a constant basis nowadays.
i am pretty sure if it was happening where you live, you would think differently about noise in general.

we happen to like the quiet, and it is a basic disrespect for others to have music or whatever kind of noise disturb anyone else.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By holidaymaker on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 07:02 am: Edit Post

NO WAY - we will definitely NOT come back to such noise -- we have enough noise in our daily lives and are seeking silence -- when we need noise, we´re headed to north coast or a different island... or better stay at home...:-)

Treasure beach -- be aware of your treasures


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 12:39 pm: Edit Post

Interesting that murdering homosexuals is still being promoted Sick.

As the statistical average for homosexuality varies from 1-5% globally, even at 1%, 1/100 of Jamaica's population of say 3 million, 3,000,000/100 is 30,000. That would be quite a slaughter. Then, who would be next. Whoever did not agree with the top killers?.....Madness!!!

We are being laughed at everywhere where people are confident of themselves and are not challenged by other lifestyles.

Stamp collectors are obsessed and talk about stamps, coin and vintage car collectors likewise. I thus always wonder about some who are obsessed with talking/screaming about gays!? They ever hear about projecting ones deepest fears on others? Sometimes violently.

DJ's explain yourselves!

BTW, I'm straight!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Connie on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 05:28 pm: Edit Post

Mnken, I don't think you should claim to speak for "us tourists." One of the reasons I keep coming back to TB is the peace and quiet, something in painfully short supply where I live and in other parts of Jamaica that I've visited. If TB starts to be too much like Negril or MoBay, I will not be coming back. I will be forced to find a new place to visit.

I am all for having parties, having a good time. I think that if music in Frenchman's is playing so loud it can be heard up at the police station, something is very wrong, someone is behaving beyond inconsiderately, and I don't want to have to put up with that kind of headache.

People of TB, I know many of you must be angry about all this noise, too. Is there anyone willing to take some action, involve the authorities (go to Black River if the local police aren't any help) to stop this before it gets even more out of hand?

I know your world doesn't revolve around tourism, but I also know many people in the community depend on the money that tourism brings in. The kind of loud craziness that has been described on this site lately is just the kind of thing that will drive many tourists away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 10:27 am: Edit Post

The more noise, the more attractive the coming Nature Preserve in Great Bay.

One of the 'Diamonds' on the horizon.

The cacaphony becomes a gentle tribal background sound blending with the night creatures in song.

Who is ready for Deep Green with Safety First?

Crowd, no way. I said Nature Preserve. No gates just overstanding.

What does Great Bay think?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mnken on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 11:10 am: Edit Post

I was just speaking as a touist, and obviously not as a resident. My comment was in response to 'Angry' about the noise killing tourism. All I was saying is that it will take a heck of alot more problems than a loud speaker to keep me and many other tourists away. If I write a list of the things I do not like about TB one one side of the page, and the things I like on the other, well, then we'll see ya soon!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Live and Let Live on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 11:04 am: Edit Post

Strings on noise seem to have been going on for MONTHS. Those sound cars ARE annoying, especially early in the morning, especially when you can hardly understand what they are saying. The late night music seems to have gotten out of hand. Frenchmans Reef probably did get a permit, but they were still being rude. Personally speaking, even though I have heard their food is tasty, I will not patronize them when I come down. People have even been complaining about cars with loud music passing them by, though I doubt that can be stopped.

On the other hand, I remember a resident complaining about tourists walking the road in their bikini bathing suits. So it can also be the tourists who are offending the residents.

I think the important thing to do is to show respect for the feelings and sensitivities of others, no matter if you are talking about clothing, religion, or noise. Live and let live. In harmony.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tourist on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 09:45 am: Edit Post

I don't think it matters if one is a resident or a tourist. All people are requesting is some courtesy and some respect. Being a good neighbor means you do not do things that offend others. The law prohibits noise that can be heard over 100 meters from the source. Everyone would agree that more than a mile away is beyond ridiculous; it is downright inconsiderate. If you want to have a loud party or play loud music, shut up your windows and doors and stay inside.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Down with Noise on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 05:07 am: Edit Post

How about a petition?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By THE LAW on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 07:50 am: Edit Post

How about going over to places like Fishermans Reef during the day, sitting down and talking to the owner and explaining how annoying their music was. See what reaction they have. There is a chance they had no idea their sounds could be heard so far away or so many people considered their noise obnoxious. Mention TB.net is carrying complaints about them - not good for any business, especially a fairly new one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By holidaymaker on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 06:45 am: Edit Post

I would be most concerned about my health. It is said that the sense of hearing can be damaged seriously,even if one is exposed to such loudness only one time ....
... mind you, the next generation might be deaf, all over the world


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mnken on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 10:58 am: Edit Post

I was in TB May 2008, Sept. 2008 and jan. 2009.
Are these loudspeakers in the AM and music, also in the AM something new? Neither of these were going on in any of my trips to TB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By crisnpropa on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 12:06 pm: Edit Post

I like hearing the sounds from near and far. There is a good balance of periods of peace and quiet and periods of sounds emanating from systems and from singers at church.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By one love on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 04:12 pm: Edit Post

mnken
I too was in TB in Sept. 2008 and in Jan 2009 and I heard those cars with the loud speakers on them then. Is it possible that you slept thru them? ;)
To be honest its one of the things that I really like about Jamaica is the fact that cars drive around and advertise bashments and tings....I accept that as part of Jamaican culture.
Loud parties and music at 3am is a separate issue.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By loudspeakers on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 05:19 am: Edit Post

Can someone please post who it is that drives through TB with the blaring loudspeakers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lovespeaker on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 02:35 pm: Edit Post

Please do not try to change our culture. We all grew up hearing those loudspeakers and none of us became deaf.If the time of day that they announce affects you then you could probably ask that they do it at a more feasible time but PLEASE,PLEASE do not ask them to stop.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 08:18 am: Edit Post

The town crier was/is also a tradition in some African tribes. So we borrowed from both the Europeans and Africans.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By classical noise on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 02:53 am: Edit Post

Why the hesitation in letting us know who drives around with the loudspeaker?
I think perhaps it might be a good idea to hire the car with loudspeakers to drive around Treasure Beach and play opera and/or classical music.
Lets see how many complaints would we hear about then! Many I am sure.
Noise is an assault if it troubles even one person.
At 6:30 in the morning I can guarantee it annoyed many.
On top of which, you cannot understand what it is saying ..
that makes the annoyance worse.

Lovespeakers: you grew up with that happening every now and again. It was the only way to communicate to a larger audience. There are other ways in present days to do this without a noise assault.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 09:16 pm: Edit Post

Lovespeaker it is a throwback to the town crier so it is European culture brought to Jamaica.

The crier had to be understood. Garbled speech waking people would get them fired and/or chamber pots emptied on them.

Like some of our music systems, hi fidelity is sacrificed.

Now Mutas sound, Black Music? I could listen to anytime. And....drift away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By To Lovespeaker on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 06:39 am: Edit Post

That is the point Lovespeaker. IF they came around in the middle of the day there would be no complaints. Now, how does one find the operators or their managers to request that broadcast at hours that will not wake people?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By harmony on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 04:21 am: Edit Post

No sense having a "town crier" who cannot be understood.
If it is louder than necessary and garbled, what is the point anyway?
And at 6:30 in the morning it simply annoys everyone.

Lovespeaker: no one is trying to change your culture (not that I believe a car with a loudspeaker is cultural) but it would be nice to live more in harmony with no person antagonizing another.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By annoyed guest on Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 05:15 pm: Edit Post

The loud music in TB last night was unbelievable. No need for the bass to be banging up to 3am, while many guest tried to sleep. As a guest to your area, I thought it best to stay out of this conversation, until last night's party and the loud music coming from it. Even a few residents that I spoke with today thought the noise last night went too far. No one in my group could sleep thanks to your noise. So, do any locals care enough to do something about this noise, or should we just vacation elsewhere?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Serenity Seeker on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 12:07 pm: Edit Post

Webmaster: I may not have put a user name at the end of the post I just sent about excessive noise from loud music. It is the post that mentions Edward Hoaglund and his book, WALKING THE DEAD DIAMOND RIVER. I hope this followup message is sufficient to attach my username to the message so that my message will get posted.

Thank you.

Serenity Seeker


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By fed up!!!!!!! on Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 09:05 am: Edit Post

hear wats happening no .....even if u go to the north coast are any other were in jamaica or even the world its gonna be noise there .....so this makes no sense


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allow us to choose on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 03:48 pm: Edit Post

Lovespeaker, I think you no longer live in Jamaica. You probably have an alarm clock which you set for the time of your choice.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By In Searth of Serenity on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 12:04 pm: Edit Post

I could not agree more with classical noise (above).

Here in the states there is a prevailing attitude that people have a right to do what they want on their own turf, on their own land. In the main, I might agree with that, provided what they do on THEIR land doesn't interfere with MY right to peace and quiet on MY land. Unfortunately, noise of any stripe doesn't respect others' boundaries.

Here we have all manner of snowmobiles and other "off-road" vehicles droning away in the woods, destroying our peace and quiet. There is a "nature" writer named Edward Hoaglund. In the early 70s he wrote a book called WALKING THE DEAD DIAMOND RIVER. At the time, the first wave of snowmobiles was invading the landscape, ruining the peace of the winter woods, disturbing those who cherished peace and quiet. In that book, Hoagland, observing the mentality of snowbmobilers and their apparent insensitivity to peace and tranquility, observed, "The less you have between the ears, the more hardware you need to amuse yourself."

While we might not precisely compare loud music in TB to snowmobiles, and while music might not be exactly comparable to the drone of snowmobiles, there is a certain parallel in that both can be offensive to those not wanting to hear either.

We recently returned from vacation in TB, our fourth time there. We do love TB, and would not return to Negril, ever, in large part because of the uptick in jet-skis and motorboats droning along the shoreline.

As tourists, one of the main things we seek in TB is what most other tourists we know seek there - plainly put, peace and quiet, serenity offered by a more rural environment than many of us in the states enjoy the rest of the time. We seek an antidote to our environment full of the cacophony of a too-hectic culture.

This last time in TB, we were about a mile from the Fort Charles Beach. On Easter weekend, which extended into Easter Monday, there were big parties on the beach, and we heard that music all weekend long.

It wasn't too loud where we were, but it was noticeable, and while we managed to shut it out to listen to "just" the sea some of the time, it was omnipresent. To be sure, noise does travel over water, but still, how loud must that music have been to carry a mile over water?

I don't think any visitor to TB wants to impose his standards on our hosts. We surely don't. We know of - and respect - the importance of music in Jamaicans' lives; music is or ought to be (as Turey suggests) important in all our lives.

But it does seem fair to ask if must that music ought ever be so loud that it escapes the boundaries of the party by long distances, as apparently that music at the Frenchman party did, offending many people. As others have said here, it would be a shame if such activity drives away the tourist trade.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By No Late Noise on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 07:55 am: Edit Post

So where did the music come from this past Saturday night? Was it Frenchamans Reef yet again?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NO EXCUSE on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 08:55 am: Edit Post

This noise thing has now seemed to become overwhelming.

With few exceptions, people are objecting to the speaker cars. But they can probably be tolerated as long as they come around during the day, not during early morning hours when there is a good possibility of waking people up.

There is NO EXCUSE for the very late music from clubs and restaurants and parties. This is clearly illegal. If you know where it's coming from, go to that establishment and complain until you get satisfaction. You should also call the police. This is DOWNRIGHT RUDE AND OBNOXIOUS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Love speakers on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 03:24 pm: Edit Post

Harmony,
I do not see how you cannot see lodspeakers as being cultural. Culture is a way of life for people and just to let you know , this is what we grew up hearing. I do not take kindly to your comment.If you look carefully,I did say that you could ask that the announcements be made at a more feasible time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lovespeakers on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 10:55 am: Edit Post

Mi nuh wake up wid no alarm clock an who tell yuh seh mi live a foreign? The sound of the roosecock crowing and cows bellowing in the morning is what I am accustomed to.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 10:33 am: Edit Post

Printing these noise disturbance threads and giving copies to those involved may initiate a sensible dialogue. Even though news travels from here, it should not be assumed it reaches all.

If there is no dialogue; either: the issue is ignored and denied, bad feelings teck set or other anxiety provoking routes are taken.

It is clear from the postings here that those that have expressed their distaste for the loud sounds are both TB'ers and guests.

Is there really a desire on the part of some to inflict pain and deny rest? If so, that shoot needs to be attended to lest it grow and claims to be culture.

I hope the more innocent motives are for some to enter trance through acoustic overload and for others to boast of their sound reinforcement capabilities.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

I understand your perspective Love Speaker.

Deeper and older than the recent importation of amplified sounds is the Golden Rule of doing to others as you would have done to yourself.

To abandon this in favor of a habit of a couple generations goes against everything that has been discussed and encouraged here about a succesful community. In short, a quite, educated, well fed and laid back community. Which I beleive all communities should be. Stress free.

Yes, you would do loud music unto yourself, but would you inflict emotional pain and sleep deprivation on yourself.

Look forward to your answer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By T/B Lover on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 05:35 pm: Edit Post

It is wrong to have something is inflicted on you when you no longer have the option to choose. One day those who are fighting so hard to have loud music broadcast late at night will have something inflicted on THEM by someone equally insentitive. What a shame it may have to come down to something like that for people to understand.

There are many reasons people some choose to take the trouble to drive five hours round trip to Treasure Beach and not stay on the North Coast. They are looking for a place that is gentle and laid back, a place with people who smile and wave, a place that is still fairly rural. They are also looking for peace and quiet.

It's not only tourists. There are a great number of people who live in Treasure Beach who do not appreciate being kept awake by loud and booming music. They don't want their children awakened either.

The tourists can stay away. What are the residents supposed to do?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Don't Get It on Monday, April 27, 2009 - 04:32 pm: Edit Post

Some people love Scotch Bonnet peppers. Some people seem to thrive on them. So Jamaican. Exactly what they are accustomed to. Some people's mouths cannot bear the heat. Would Lovespeakers suggest that people who cannot tolerate Scotch Bonnets be forced to eat them or have to put protective duct tape over their mouths to prevent others from shoving the peppers in?

Utterly ridiculous.

What part of being kind and considerate to others escapes you?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By An Observation on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

A lot of people have made excellent points here against loud music in the very late night and early morning hours. I have yet to see any posts in favor of disturbing the peace that are unselfish and promoting of community harmony.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 04:40 pm: Edit Post

A friend once told me to listen behind the words.

Another, to watch how the arts manifest.

Jamaica has one of steadiest and greatest productions of music in the world. This production also influences world music. We have so much talent for self expression, rhythm and melody.

Music has been close to all of our ancestors. In different forms. Our Africans having the greatest influence. It is not strange that many of us want the experience more than in other cultures.

I have never mastered the understanding of current Jamaican lyrics, maybe I'm half deaf from my music listening long ago? I understand something of the messages behind the words. The rage at the inequalities and hypocrisies of the social system, the confusion at the mixed signals society sends, the need to form an identity which may become a copy of current vogues, gangsta etc and the urge to be part of a group.

I thought I'd explain myself a bit more. Culture raised me. Culture also informed me that it is dynamic and needs both the elimination of the unnecessary and the inclusion of fresh perspectives and methods. Constant tuning and care. Neither "Boom Bye Bye" nor "Wreck a .." can assist our collective journey. "By The Rivers of Babylon" etc are certainly balms for us.

Culture is made up of the learnings, including the memories of the mistakes, of our ancestors that enabled our generations to be successful and for us to exist. Our childrens children will either respect our memories for keeping this Treasure intact or curse us for loosing vigilance to selfishness, don't care and cy'an badda.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Question on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 - 05:53 pm: Edit Post

Lovespeakers gone deaf?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 08:38 am: Edit Post

I take it the roosters and cows do not communicate through amplifiers and loudspeakers Lovespeakers?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Snooze on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 11:32 am: Edit Post

When I see 8 feet tall speakers being assembled in the street or outside of a bar, I know what is coming. Furthermore, the party does not get cranking until well after midnight. In my youth, I was nose to the stage for Yellowman at 2 am. I don't see a compromise because it is the way it's always been - in every town throughout Jamaica - loud music and late nights. My solution is earplugs. Never leave home without them!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Miss my friends so much on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 11:25 am: Edit Post

It wasnt somebody's party but a dance at Wild Onion. Which I may add was brilliant and had the appropriate licence to be open late. In my two weeks in Frenchman this was the only loud music I heard. Arent the young (and older generation - like me) allowed to have some fun once in awhile - nobody has the money to do it too often these days.

A dance for people in Treasure Beach surely cannot be objected to every few weeks.

In a couple of weeks when the Calabash Literary Festival is on you will be able to hear loud music late into the night as well. Do you want that stopped?

A couple of years ago there were street dances and parties galor, now with the cost of electricity, having to have a licence and the lack of money they are very infrequent.

One thing I will say is that Carly's death does not seem to have stopped people by driving like maniacs down the main street. So so dangerous and frightening!