Quiet for Too Long

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Quiet for Too Long
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Let's Act Not Just Talk on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 09:31 am: Edit Post

I have never written on this site but read it with regularity. I think it serves a valuable purpose for tourists and others interested in Treasure Beach. But now I find I need to write about an injustice that has been going on for too long. It is the old "Colonial" problem of people thinking they own all of Treasure Beach just because they have business interests here. I have first hand information that Jason Henzell is trying to get permission to land sea-planes on the Great Pond in the Old Wharf area of TB. Everyone should know there are endangered species of birds migrating to this place, in spite of it's extreme pollution, there are land owners in the area who are completely against this and they seem to have NO say in this horrible development.
Mr. Henzell contributes to this community but as far as I can see it is only to give him permission to do as he pleases here. The "sports park" is another example of his hubris. He promises locals there will be no lights or night events only to completely change his mind as he looks at the bottom line. I do not see how this is going to contribute anything but chaos to the area, as our roads in infrastructure can not manage it. And then there is the matter of his own sewage treatment issues at Jakes and Jack Sprat. Anyone who has been there knows you smell it as soon as you enter the property but you probably don't know what it does to an adjoining Church of God. They have to deal with actual sewage from tanks Mr. Henzell has put on their property. They may have agreed to this arrangement not knowing how serious the problem would get. I do not think people should be able to talk about having a "green" certified establishment when all this badness go one. We need to be more forward thinking in our development and not let just anything happen here in the interest of a few.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JTK on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:10 pm: Edit Post

hi. you need to look a little farther, then. BREDs, with mr henzell's support, has helped the schools in the area, provide housing for people without it, support tourism, develop the first volunteer ambulance system in Jamaica, and help local business and employment. no one is perfect, but in the overall scale of things, jas' work comes down very clearly on the positive side for the community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I'll tell you my name if you tell me yours! on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:20 am: Edit Post

Wow - I think you should state your "first hand" source - those are pretty serious accusations. I am an ex-pat property/home owner in Treasure Beach (10 yrs), and I would have to say that Jason takes the heat for a lot of what people want to complain about in Treasure Beach. But in reality, if you live or have lived there for any period of time - not just for a vacation, but through times of hardship or hurricanes or what-have-you, you will know that Jason has the community that he lives in with his family always in the forefront of what he does. He is not just a business person in Treasure Beach - he lives there, and therefore cares about how the area develops (in a positive way and without intentional destruction to the environment).

I don't know... I would hate to see a huge thing come of this "first hand" information without considering the source - which in all fairness you should post.

I must say, I also hate when people write these things that end up opening a HUGE can of worms and only use an alias. That's pretty weak in my opinion. Why not contact Jason directly - he is a very level-headed person who I am sure would give you the dialogue and answers that you are looking for.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A Rose is A Rose on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 10:22 am: Edit Post

Interesting how the Sports Park used to be called the Sports Stadium. Calling it a Park sounds much nicer but the purpose and intent are the same. Nice PR ploy. A rose is a rose no matter what it is called.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By concerned on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:02 am: Edit Post

I totally agree with you! i said the same thing years ago. i have no problem with people setting up businesses there but people are being blinded to whats really going on. who is going to pay for this sports park at $5000 US a month? treasure beach people can't afford this. please dont let this project go ahead.!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thank-you on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:12 am: Edit Post

Thank-you to the poster and thank-you to Rebecca for posting this item. I realize the posts are supposed to be of a positive nature and what has been posted does not sound any too positive. Fighting injustice and asking for decency for the average citizen IS postive and thats what is happening on TreasureBeach.net. Thank-you for this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peacemaker on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

I would think that the local health inspectors are doing periodical checks to see that proper disposal of human waste etc. are properly disposed of at these places. I hope we are not giving anyone 'basket to carry water' here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Environmentalist on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 03:49 pm: Edit Post

Is there any way the possbility of the sea planes might be opposed in an organized manner? Progress is one thing, but destruction of endangered bird species is not progress. I wish there was a Sierra Club in Jamaica.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 04:37 pm: Edit Post

I am steamed. I am angry. I want to be down there to scream aloud about the sea-plane possibility. This situation is too ugly for words.

I did nothing about the Sports Park, though I do not know what I could have done. Selling the Sports Park was slick marketing toward an unorganized community that always sees the bright side and wants to believe the best about everything.

This is TOO MUCH. What can I do to fight this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NO NO NO on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 05:03 pm: Edit Post

NO NO NO NO TO SEA PLANES

Enough is enough, Mr. Henzell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Outraged on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 04:21 pm: Edit Post

The sea plane idea is one of the most outrageous things I have read here in a long time. I would add a lot more but I do not want my post to be censored. If it takes money to fight this I will send some, though I do not have much. I love Treasure Beach too much to have this happen.

Will someone in Treasure Beach continue to post any news whatsoever about this horrible possibility. PLEASE !!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 04:01 pm: Edit Post

I don't know the facts about seaplanes but

stated my views on the Park in this forum.

There are two principles that are

operating: the financial health of the

the individuals and the enterprises in the

community, the other; sustainable development

and individual and environmental wellbeing.

Most understand the challenges of paying bills

and taking care of family and business.

This new fangled 'Sustainable Development' is an

approach that challenges our usual way of doing

things while keeping the $ balance sheet also

sustainable.

I guess the sewage tanks are an attempt to

prevent effluent flowing to the sea. If there is

a bad smell, I'm sure just like bad stomach

there are ways to deal with this.

I hope Jason clears up these points and continues

the good works.

We certainly do not need the noise, pollution and

threat to wildlife that a seaplane offers. This

is susu; right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rubbish Fighter. on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 05:35 pm: Edit Post

I can hear the argument for seaplane service now. "This will help bring more tourists to Treasure Beach and everone will benefit."

This is unadulterated rubbish.

If someone want to do something for Treasure Beach, how about stepping up garbage collection? Water in the pipes? Decent roads? Sufficient funds for the local schools? No one would argue against any of THOSE initiatives.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 05:53 pm: Edit Post

Does anyone have Jason Henzell' s email or direct telephone number? I am a Treasure Beach landowner and my lot would be directly affected by the landing of seaplanes in the Great Pond. My land is in the Old Wharf area and none of the surrounding neighbors will benefit from such a plan.
Something like this is very contrary to the peace and health of the Treasure Beach area and would only serve very few.
The possible introduction of petrochemical fuels to the Great Pond is dangerous to the areas pristine ecosystem.
Please Mr. Henzell, respond to this thread if you have such a plan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:36 pm: Edit Post

This situation regarding Jason Henzell getting permission to land seaplanes in Great Pond is fact. I checked with Kory South, owner of the Sunset Resort. He thinks Jason Henzell will have a very difficult time getting any permission, but it is up to all of us to make it impossible.
There is a meeting at Sandy Bank school, 6:00 pm on Monday, March 2 2009. I would be there if possible and am prepared to vigorously deny any attempt to allow seaplanes to land at Great Pond. If you are a Treasure beach resident, please go to voice your disapproval. Planes of any type do not mix wit the peaceful area of Treasure Beach.
Until Henzell gives up his plan, I will never patronize any of his business interests.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brighter Side on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 07:55 pm: Edit Post

Interesting how something as awful as the seaplane idea is eclipsing so many of the fine things happening in Treasure Beach. There are 21 UVA students who will be down there in less than 24 hours to assist in the schools.

I am not saying the seaplane idea is good because I definitely do not agree with it. All I am saying is let's not forget the good that happens in Treasure Beach either. Some people seem to be helping the community with no expectations of getting anything in return except a smile.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By COUNTRY BOY on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 09:40 pm: Edit Post

GO GO MR. HENZELL LOT OF YOU TALKING HAVE FAMILY SHOOTING BRIDS IN SOME OF THESE PONDS.PRIME MINISTER SAY JOBS JOBS JOBS


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tree Farmer on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:46 pm: Edit Post

Oh Yes,sweet progress, I want to be on the 1st flight.Where do I go to buy 2 tix,when is the service going to begin?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 2 cents on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:41 am: Edit Post

Would everyone have a problem with a Sea Plane if Jason was not involved? I belief that giving options to our visitors is a great way to boost Tourism. Lets have an open mind, after all imagine being able to get to n fro in minutes and not hours.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sign the petition on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:38 pm: Edit Post

For those interested in signing a petition opposed to the landing of sea planes on the Great Pedro Pond can contact Colin James at 426-1773. (I have been given permission to post his number.) Colin, along with other major landowners that own major portions of the Great Pond have organized this petition and need everyone's support to ensure that this does not go forward. If you are unable to sign the petition, please register your dissent via email to Colin. (Phone him and request his email address)

In addition, a meeting is to be held at the Sandy Bank Primary School on Monday at 6:00 p.m regarding this very issue. The mayor of Black River and the MP Chris Tufton will be in attendance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Petition on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:49 pm: Edit Post

I have just spoken to Colin who has asked that I post his email address and website address for those that wish to address this matter.
Email gteck1@gmail.com
website www.treasurelakes.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sandy on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:37 pm: Edit Post

my god people whats wrong with you all. lets stop and have a look at whats going on in the world people losing there jobs people dying every second. and all you care about is what jason is doing to treasure beach.i think he is doing a wonderful thing to the community we all need changes i say go for it jason. who god bless no man curse.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Question on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 07:04 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca, is there any way someone might be able to voice their opinion at a meeting or in some way that would make a difference? No disrespect intended but I get the feeling we are doing nothing but talking to ourselves in this thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By GT on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 10:10 am: Edit Post

We have to look past whatever percieved good that is being done by someone and focus on the potential harm that can further befall Treasure Beach if these so-called progressive ideas are not stopped. I am very heartened that people like the James from Sandy Bank, born and bred, are willing to take the stand for the betterment of the community. Sorry I can't be there to get involved but I know you have a lot of good support.
GT


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 09:45 am: Edit Post

I live in Portland,Oregon and seaplanes land in the river during the summer months. They are loud, noisy airplanes and would have to fly directly over Treasure Beach in order to land or takeoff. The planes are also much more prone to crashes. Does Treasure Beach have the ability to handle an airplane crash? I could not find local medical help after a scooter crash. If there is an accident response is hours away.

My land site is directly affected. If any of you are able to attend a meeting, please attend.

The meeting is to be held at Sandy Bank Basic school Monday March 2 2009.

Sandy....It is important to do research about any issue. The Treasure Beach/Malvern area is one of the most pristine places left in Jamaica and the entire world. Much of the global problems that you claim to care about are based upon unmitigated and never ending greed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ANONYMOUS on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 10:11 am: Edit Post

As a foreigner living in Treasure Beach I have to say that I am continually amazed at the things people put up with in the name of progress. One of the best thing about TB is there are no planes (except for the occasional helicopter) or other signs of the rat race world, except for the mad taxi drivers, of course. We have been suffering from lack of water here, the roads are nearly impassable in places and the electricity company is intent on burning up all our appliances. Tourism is a double edged sword and we all need to look at that and the sustainabilty of it. I don't think the opposition to the sea-plane thing is personally against Mr. Henzell - it is just time to stand up and say "Enough". The community has to draw the line somewhere, and maybe this is it. We have to think about why we live here and what is important to us when we think about what we want in a standard of living. And for the record, Mr. Henzell does not live in Treasure Beach. As to the anonymous postings issue - I think there are a lot of ways to discriminate against people and we need to think about all ideas without fear of recriminations.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By enough on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 06:04 pm: Edit Post

Jeeeeez....we already have to put up with the frequent comings and goings of the helicopter and now it's sea planes. More noise, more pollution. No one questions the fact that Breds has been instrumental in providing many benefits for the community over the years, but this is way over the top. Breds has publicly promised not to put a landing strip at the sports park, but that could be next.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By COUNTRY BOY on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 09:09 am: Edit Post

I AGREE WITH REBECCA MY QUESTION ANYWAY WHEN SINCE AIRCRAFT CARES ABOUT ECOSYSTEM IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEWS. A PLANE CAN GO DOWN ANY WERE


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Concerned Stakeholder on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:54 am: Edit Post

Thank you for being so succinct, Turey.

So many of us were dismayed over the Sports Stadium (later called the Sports Park). However, there was NEVER an opportunity for a vote of the stakeholders in the community -- the residents as well as the villa and other business owners who had invested their life savings (and their hearts) in Treasure Beach. The land had already been purchased and it had already been leased to BREDS.

Even though a project of this magnitude had the the ability to change the very CHARACTER of Treasure Beach, it was nearly impossible to obtain accurate and timely information from Mr. Henzell. To me, this did not show respect for the community. We were told such things as, "The drawings are at the BREDS office if you want to see them." And we were told this by young employees of BREDS because Mr. Henzell did not seem to want to be bothered by taking the time to answer the questions himself.

To this day, most of the residents believe the Sports Park will be for their benefit; I would venure to say they do not understand they will be CHARGED to use it.

Any person with a knowledge of running a successful business will realize the Sports Park will not be able to be run in a professional and safe manner on a budget of roughly $5,000 U.S. per month; while this appears to be a large figure, it cannot possibly pay for all the operational expenses such as management, insurance, JPS, water, security, trash collection, maintenance, and more. So, when the construction is complete, we will see a good number of night time events designed to draw in the public from other areas because this will be the ONLY way to pay for the large, ongoing expenses. I predict the majority of those in Treasure Beach will be incredibly disappointed in the Park because it will turn out to be NOT WHAT THEY FELT THEY WERE PROMISED. It is too late to stop the Sports Park.

Now, we are looking at the posibility of seaplanes and helicopters flying in and out of the Great Pond area, not merely to transport tourists -- but to be used for aerial tours. The pollution and noise from these will diminish the property values of all those who own property in the Great Pond area. Characteristically, seaplanes are used to transport people inter-island (as was done between St. Thomas and St. Croix) or into an area in which there are few roads (such as the Canadian wilderness). They are NOT done in residential areas. Additionally, this type of transport is prone to a disproportionate share of fatal accidents; there have already been far too many in places such as the Grand Canyon area and in Hawaii.

This seaplane effort needs to be fully examined before it has the possibility of approval.

I hope Mr. Henzell chooses to answer the many questions from the community and stakeholders BEFORE it is too late to do something. If he has time to plan such a business venture, then he should have the time to respond to questions posed by HIS community. That should not be too much to expect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Unwilling To State My Name on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:47 pm: Edit Post

People are not listing their names because of posible repurcussions. It is foolish to disagree in public with the area's largest employer. People need jobs and their friends and families need jobs.

No one has said Mr. Henzell is a bad person. He is not. He has done a lot of good for the community. I believe his intentions are good. This does not necessarily mean the RESULTS of all he does or promotes are good.

He also does not live in the community any more. Treasure Beach is now his place of business.

As for the person who assumes the local health inspectors are doing their job, grow up. You figure Jamaica does better at that than the US? For how many YEARS was the peanut factory in Georgia allowed to stay open and end up poisoning and killing innocent people who ate their products. Politics are the same all over the world. It's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Question on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 08:58 am: Edit Post

I would have the identical problems with the seaplanes if Jason were not involved. I would not want them no matter who is involved.

I will be at the meeting Monday evening.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By COUNTRY BOY on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 10:13 am: Edit Post

OUR ROADS IN TREASURE BEACH HAVE BEEN RACE TRACK FOR SOME TIME NOW. NO BODY SAY ANYTHING COULD WE HAVE THAT IN THE MEETING ON MONDAY WITH THE POLICE.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By observer on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 10:51 am: Edit Post

Can someone tell me what organization is Rebecca the Department Head of in Treasure Beach. Why does everyone think she can walk on water, why does a United States native have more say in Treasure Beach than the Treasure Beach natives. Why don't the opposing residents come together and state your claim to your born land.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

No one is cursing Jason or diminishing his many projects. Like any community project, we all have the right to state our opinions. Common-unity.

The accusation of hubris by Let's Act Not Just Talk was serious in Ancient Greece. The charge was a consequence of actions taking in arrogance and without consideration for others. It was and is not a curse however. That's something else.

I don't think hubris is considered a crime in Jamaica unless it results in demonstratable
damages. Pathetically, there are some that cheer the practicioners of this.

I hope it is Jason's goodwill and creativity at work and not some selfishness or lack of consideration for keeping this a quite laid back community.

Again, I congratulate my adopted community for being able to face this dilema without the rage that often emerges elsewhere. Still, the feelings are there wanting/needing to be expressed.

I hope this, The Park and the sewage issues are resolved in a way that TB is the winner. Dunswise and with full Livity.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karen Kennedy on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 01:23 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca is not the head of any department; she is the head of Treasure Tours. She has made Treasure Beach her home for well more than 10 years. She is a Jamaican citizen. She employs several other Jamaican citizens and provides opportunities for income to many more people.

No one thinks she can walk on water, including her. She is modest about her accomplishments and has a reputation for being fair and decent in all her dealings.

People turn to her because she is responsive, cares about her community, and doesn't make up her mind about a situation until she has learned the facts. She lets her conscience be her guide, not ambition or political motivations.

From what I have heard, the organizer against the seaplane venture is someone who was born and bred in Treasure Beach. It is not Rebecca.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By eyewitness on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 01:41 pm: Edit Post

The first plane has landed! Just a few minutes ago I watched a sea plane land in Great Pond.

So I guess it is true, it doesn't matter what we as a community thinks of the project it will go on no matter what.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lee on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:10 pm: Edit Post

THERE WERE ALOT OF LOCALS THERE WHEN THE PLANE LANDED AND NO ONE SO FAR HAD ANY OBJECTIONS. SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE JUST TRIGGERED OF BY OTHER PEOPLES' RAGE. IT MIGHT BE ONE PERSON IT MIGHT BE A FEW!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 01:58 pm: Edit Post

Definition of Hubris: arrogance

Synonyms for Hubris: airs, audacity, brass, cheek, chutzpah, cockiness, conceitedness, contemptuousness, disdain, insolence, loftiness, nerve, ostentation, overbearance, pomposity, pompousness, presumption, pretension, pretentiousness, self-importance, vanity.

Pick your favourite definition or synonym. I doubt it matters. The first seaplane has alredy landed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:34 pm: Edit Post

Was Jimmy Buffet aboard?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 03:44 pm: Edit Post

The strongest message to send to Jason Henzell is economic. I will not patronize his businesses or mention to friends that visit Jamaica any of his business concerns.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rbt on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:59 pm: Edit Post

Has this been cleared by any form of an EP agency?
If not, shouldn't they be notified?
We have endangered species on that pond.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fuming on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 04:07 pm: Edit Post

This seaplane thing may not be illegal but it is the opposite of being a good and caring neighbor.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:26 pm: Edit Post

I hope this issue of the seaplanes is settled peacefully.
There are many people against the seaplane venture. It is a very diverse group of Jamaicans and expats who care about the livability of Treasure Beach.
Few places on this earth are like Treasure Beach. The ecosystem and vibe must be protected.
It is not personal against Jason Henzell who no doubt has done good for the area. This is about something Jason wants to do and we must tell him collectively.........No seaplanes in Great Pedro Pond


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Observer on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:39 pm: Edit Post

My point exactly, Miss Kennedy. I was responding to the posting by "question". I was not attacking Rebecca. The Local Parish Council and Land Authority Dept are who anyone seeking answers should go to and not direct their questions to Rebecca


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just thinking on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:30 pm: Edit Post

So if the planes are already landing what is the point of a meeting on Monday night?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jill on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:53 pm: Edit Post

Wanted or not, the seaplane has landed, TODAY!!
I imagine the water fowl are dropping dead from fear.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:33 pm: Edit Post

Cho Observer, Rebecca is the Head Community Cyber-Communications Person (TB Branch).

She, and Eric, created this position out of goodwill and hard work. I'm sure they would welcome parallel Heads emerging in other areas and would work with them.

Again I ask, how long does it take to become a member of the Community. What are the credentials needed. Born yah, blood relations, proven good works, high spirits, how much money one generates. ones unselfish contributions etc. Think about it.

The forum is open for all including you to have your say Observer, I do not see unbalanced censorship here or over representation by the webmasters.

BTW, I'm Head Cacique of The Born Again Taino Tribe (Kingston Branch) and Founder of The Bun Susu Org.

And, I was not born in Treasure Beach. Do I have a vote in tings still?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By COUNTRY BOY on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 02:33 pm: Edit Post

I MISS REBECCA DEEP BREATH/S DONT LET IT GET TO YOU. YOU AND JASON OFFER TREASURE BEACH TO THE WORLD.I REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE USE TO OFFER THERE FRIENDS JUST TO COME TO TREASURE BEACH FOR FISH.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Villa Owner on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 08:59 pm: Edit Post

I cannot believe this turn of events. I have supported the BREDS ambulance even though it seems to be in the garage more than it is on the road. The BREDS accounting system is not published online as is Treasure Beach Foundation's. When I give to a charity, I want to know where each and every cent has been spent, and I cannot do that with BREDS.

In simple English, I have had it. I am done with BREDS and any entity associated with it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By boring question on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 05:55 pm: Edit Post

I would like to ask when and if the seaplane arrives with visitors, how do they get to the land and and on whose land?
I think Jason does himself a diservice by always seeming to be very reluctant to give out any information publicly: it just sends a message of arrogance and comtempt for public opinion, which he may not intend.
Also, no more nasty remarks about Rebecca, who is a pillar of strength ,in Treasure Beach in good times and bad. Thank you Karen Kennedy for summing up her great contribution to the community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By My Opinion on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:16 pm: Edit Post

To Observer - The government agencies here in Jamaica work very, very slowly. By the time one hears from them it is often too late to do anything. I have written two letters to our MP, and I have not had the courtesy of a reply. This was done more than six MONTHS ago. He is scheduled to show up at the meeting on Monday with only several DAYS notice. The way I see it each person gets one vote, and one voter should not be entitled to treatment that is better than another.

NEPA is supposed to protect all the birds in Jamaica except those hunted by the birders during hunting season. It might take them AGES to get down here to see what harm has been done, and then it will be too late.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Observer on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:33 pm: Edit Post

Mr. Turey, what ever you mean by "forum is open for all including you", maybe you need to direct it to self. Don't be so quick to judge. I was responding to a post. If you notice Rebecca did not post anything here. I was just simple trying to say why do some people expect Rebecca to know all the bureaucracy of The Local Government when there are Departments in the Capital, Black River to deal with community matters such as land issues. Departments which have been serving the community for more than a century plus Councillor, Mayor and Member of Parliament


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bowl on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 09:12 pm: Edit Post

I live 11/2 miles away from the Great Pond and the
noise that that sea plane made today could raise the dead. I am a land owner straight across the road
from the pond. Land for housing and other development. And I say land your sea plane on the sea and not on our pond. The next thing it will be used for drugs trafficking.
If we can't stop it then we could at least ask the Govt. to make it illegal to land at night.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:10 pm: Edit Post

Rbt has a point.

If it can be established by scientific authority that one or more rare and endangered species live in the pond, I'm sure there is a route that may be found to keep the ponds and similarly other places as untouched as is possible and practical.

Pond turtles, migratory birds, breeding crocs etc. Here is a whole area of study for students.

I had discussed the possibility of a flora and fauna species survey on my land with a UWI person a while back. They were enthousiastic and knew something of the biological specialness of the TB area.

I remember an early Eco-Tourism conference in Portland. The tolerable human intrusion on the environment was mentioned. It challenged the established route of cut, clear, build and entertain as many heads as the rooms can sleep. Reef, fish, local folks and all things bright and beautiful are considered in service to money mek at any cost.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Want to Come to meeting on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 02:38 pm: Edit Post

Did the meeting place change?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Enquirer on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 10:21 am: Edit Post

Just would like to know. Who is the sea plane transporting


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 09:20 am: Edit Post

You asked what Department Rebecca was Head of Observer.

You have also asked why a United States citizen has more to say in Treasure Beach than Treasure Beach natives.

There is something happening here that may be called 'enabling'. As we make roads for cars, we can clear paths for constructive communication in a public area utilising the internet.

Rebecca took resposibility for this particular domain. Importantly, it is open to all. TB natives and all others that have access to the internet. Any TB person is free to initiate another forum or post here.

I do not think that there is any attempt here to bypass any local or other Departments of Government. Indeed, I remember invitation to members of Government to post here.

I think that the functions of Government are enabled by the openess and data sharing that happens in cyberspace. Pres Obama seems to agree.

What may be confronting to some is that the internet strives to be: Fast, Cheap and Out of Control.

Thus: openess is potentiated and governance may move closer to being an instrument of we the people.

Anyway...back to Seaplane.

As Observer correctly points out there are Depts of Gov that have responsibility for various issues. I think the Dept of Civil Aviation is responsible for seaplanes landing in ponds.

http://www.jcaa.gov.jm/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Furious on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 02:18 pm: Edit Post

From what I can understand, there are many reasons NOT to allow the seaplanes to land on Great Pond:

* All birds in Jamaica are protected by the government of Jamaica, except hunting birds during hunting season. There are many birds living on or near the Great Pond. Other birds stop there when migrating. Many of the species that live or stop there are endangered.

* Crocodiles are protected by the government of Jamaica. There are crocodiles living in and around the Great Pond.

* The noise of a seaplane taking off is deafening and would greatly disturb people residing for at least a mile from it. Whether or not the noise would disurb the majority of people in Treasure Beach is of no consequence, because the rights of those living near the Great Pond must be protected. (This is the "do unto others ..." principle.)

* There is supposed to be no commercial enterprise adjacent to or on the Great Pond.

There are probably additional reasons which I do not know.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Live & Let Live on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:12 am: Edit Post

How does one person have the right to infringe upon the rights of so many others? If not illegal - which I hope it is - it seems immoral. The people who will be disturbed by the noise have bought or built their their homes with the full expectation that something like seaplanes would not bother them. People might not care about the birds, crocs and other wildlife, but they also have the right to be protected.

How can someone run a seaplane operation without trespassing on the land owned by others?

Something is wrong if this is allowed to happen. Very wrong.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 07:06 pm: Edit Post

There are people in the Jamaican government that need to hear these voices and this discussion. The following email addresses, phone numbers and fax numbers are a matter of public record on the Jamaican government website.

1)Tourism Minister: The Honorable. Edmund Bartlett M.P.
edmundb@tpdco.org
876-920-4926/4924
876-920-4944 (fax)

2)Health and Environment Minister: The Honorable Rudyard Spencer M.P.
huttonv@moh.gov.jm
876-967-1100/1101/1103/1105/1107
876-967-7293 (fax)

3) Office of the Prime Minister (Planning,Development and Defense)
Prime Minister: The Honorable. Orette Bruce Golding M.P.
hpmgolding@opm.gov.jm
876-927-9941/3
876-929-0005 (fax)

The seaplanes taking off and landing in an unrestricted fashion will be a major security issue for the Jamaican government and the United States Government. There are no unrestricted points of entry in the Caribbean that I know of.
There has been no environmental assessment of this activity. All short and long term impacts must be considered.
Mexico, Costa Rica and Belize have fought hard to disallow this type of activity in prime ecosystems near tourist areas. Their governments understand what people are coming for.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LOVE D PLANE on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 04:43 pm: Edit Post

I think that everyone need to look at the future and not the present. Cut out all those garbage attacking Rebecca as an American citizen. What does her nationality have to do with a plane landing in great pond????????????????. How many of us remember when that pond went dry and the dust almost take people lives, and all the road was BLOCKED. For God sake people, many people have never seen a plane landed before and have never been to air-port, so if they can see plane landing, let them see it. I wish when I'm coming home I could get a flight on that plane straight from the U.S instead having to stop in mo-bay. Let us enlight ourselves, all these things can enlighten the youth of our community. God Almighty is coming very soon, so let him come and find this community living in peace, we're one, and dont let plane landing divide us. I think when we see someone or something good has happen in this community let's not try to fight a good thing down.
REMEMBER THE WORDS OF BOB MARLEY.
ONE LOVE, ONE HEART, LETS GET TOGETHER AND FEEL ALRIGHT. LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT PLANE TO LAND. I WISH I WAS IN JAMDOWN TO SEE HISTORY MADE, OF THE GREAT PLANE LANDING.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By First Steps on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 04:22 am: Edit Post

By the way Observer did you know that Rebecca is a Jamaican citizen?...which so much of us give up to become citizen of other countries.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lignum on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 12:13 am: Edit Post

Is it true that the NASA is planning to launch shuttles off the bLUFF at Great Bay?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ice ice Babii on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 06:46 pm: Edit Post

Hol' on! one good question.................What happen to the crocodile dem inna Great Pond:? Crocodile nuh eat people again?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NORMIE on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:06 am: Edit Post

If this seaplane landing go through,what will happen whenever there is a drought,or there is a low water level are they going to pump sea water to maintain its supplies of water,i am just wondering ,i will say let stop before we started .A BIG NO


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By marlon ebanks on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 01:08 am: Edit Post

de plane land.. yes de plane. inna de great pond, curse dem a curse say de plane land, 100 tourists a weh dem get them from.......... de plane land yes de plane land......... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:18 am: Edit Post

Sing it fe dem Marlon, too much bitterness a goin my youth. I know you always put the icing on the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Simple on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:17 am: Edit Post

This is a simple and straightforward issue.

The seaplane business is either legal or illegal. If the correct permits and permissions have not been obtained, and/or there will be danger to wldlife, and/or noise limits will be exceeded, then it is illegal. If all of these conditions have been met, then it is legal.

If it is legal, there is still an issue of conscience. Only the person in question can decide if growing his economic empire is worth upsetting so many in Treasure Beach.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Please Show Kindness on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 07:53 am: Edit Post

I cannot judge if the seaplane idea is good or bad for Treasure Beach without knowing all the facts. The main thing that has me concerned is Mr. Henzell's apparent lack of concern for the ramifications of what he is doing. If he does not care about the stench from the sewage tanks he placed on the property of the church, how can we expect him to care about the rare and endangered species of birds living on the pond? I admire his entrepreneurial spirit; I do not admire this coming at the expense of others, whether they are human or animal. Live and let live.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary Plus on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 08:26 pm: Edit Post

Dear Dictionary,

Why not use the word insensitive? Do you remember when the auto industry executives came to Washington to ask for billions of dollars? They flew to Washington in private jets. It was hard to be on their side because they acted as if they were much better than the average citizen. They expected people to support them.

Insensitive is how you act when you don't even realize how people view you.

How embarassing.

How insensitive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Know on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 08:28 am: Edit Post

Its amazing that Bowl lives so far away and was disturbed by the plane when I live within 5 minutes walk and the plane didn't disturb me. Villa Owner you have stated your point about not contributing to Breds, and thats your choice but the plane and Breds are not connected and should not be judged together as one but on there own merits. I have been told that the ambulance is working and has been for nearly a month, you need to check your facts before jumping the gun. Jason has done so much for this community and 80% of the time he is been attacked, his character is marred by many and his place of business accused of embarrassing and incorrect information. The person that started this thread, knows why they have turned on Jakes, its not because of the community but because of personal reasons and vendetta.
We should also not start making assumptions about drug trafficking, and my advice to all on the thread with your negativity is we should 'pick the matter from our own eyes, before picking other out other persons.'
Jason, we are happy for all you have done in this community to make it better, but honestly you should reconsider all you do because all you get is berated, accused and misjudged.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Excited!!!! on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:00 am: Edit Post

well done Jason it was so excited i love it to the world......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By COUNTRY BOY on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 02:08 pm: Edit Post

I LOVE THIS MORE AND MORE. HI BOWL 1 1/2 MILE YOUR LUCK. WHEN SOUND SYSTEM PLAY AT YOUR PLACE DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU. I THINK THE BLUE PRINT OF TREASURE BEACH NEEDS TO BE CHANGE.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By observer on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:31 am: Edit Post

The feed back I get from the visitors to TB is that they feel a part of the community. Sorry if there are some folks who feel within themselves to be outsiders or have an inferiority complex whenever words such as foreigners, people from abroad, US native, etc. are used on this forum. While the ones who use those words are just simple trying to say, for example, you should know what rights you have to your own land (property) than someone who was not born and grown in the area. Most of the land in the Great Pond area were inherited, handed down from generation to generation (even if you did not inherit it or you bought it recently, there are Departments that deal with it and not any single member of the community).

I am not a Treasure Beach native. I do not need to seek out what criteria would make me a member of any given community. I have dual citizenship and contribute to the community I live in and do not hesitate to correctly state, no, I am Jamaican, whenever I am refered to as African American also very proud to write on any piece of paper which requested it that my nationality is Jamaican
Why is it wrong to say a Treasure Beach Native is a Treasure Beach native and a US native is a US native.

Country boy, don't know how old you are, but more than fish are why folks come to Treasure Beach for many decades. Yes that's how long tourism been around in TB. Isn't it nice to know that locals and visitors can enjoy healthy meals of freshly catch fish.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Think About It on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:11 am: Edit Post

To LOVE D PLANE, the seaplanes will fly out of MoBay, not from the US. To use them you will have to first land at MoBay and go through Immigration and Customs. You will then have to get transport to another place in MoBay - on the water. Then you will have to wait for a seaplane. The aircraft they are planning to use can transport only two or three passengers and very little luggage. The cost will be at least $200 US per person each way. When you get to Great Pond, you will then need transport to get to your home or hotel.

With some people being upset about paying $135 for transport from the airport for four people (which is less than $35 a person) and being able to bring as much luggage as they want - and being dropped right at their doors, who would be using the seaplane service?

This venture is designed for the ultra-rich, not for either the average tourist or the residents.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:11 am: Edit Post

STOP THE BAD-MIND AND DE BITTERNESS AND LET THIS COMMUNITY REMAIN A PEACEFUL DESTINATION, LOVE AND RESPECT REBECCA FOR WHO SHE IS AND DONT HATE HER FOR BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. SHE MEANT THIS COMMUNITY WELL.

ON A PLEASANT NOTE. I SAW OUR OWN LIGHTNING BOLT ON A ADVERTISEMENT HERE IN THE U.S, WITH SOME OF THE WORLD #1 SPORT PERSONS. A BIT OF GOOD NEWS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Betsy Carpenter on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 07:56 pm: Edit Post

I am here on vacation in Treasure Beach. The place where I am staying has recommended I go to Driftwood Spa at Jakes. Based on what I have read in these postings, I will not do so as much as I want a massge. I am more in favor of protecting the environment and the birds than I am of getting a massage.

This is the only way I know how to vote about this issue.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:57 am: Edit Post

Off topic to draw a breath.

The old boys used to tell us about the Pan Am seaplanes that used to land outside the old airstrip on the Palisadoes Road. Maybe someone here has some stories.

Bro G told me about the first time he saw a plane during WW2. Seems there were regular island patrols by a largish plane which was protected by a smaller. I assume they were all launched from Vernam Field.

Anyway he and the people in Nine Mile were amazed at the sight, some said The Lord had come.

The smaller plane was named "Mek Up".

Ahh Love D Plane, you are asking those not in favor to agree with you so we can be united and be at peace when The Almighty come.

Mi se, 1. silence is golden is one root and symptom of peace. 2. We will never be united when it comes to personal choice, there are better ways of promoting unity. And 3. I was unaware that The Almighty had left us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By samantha on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 04:13 pm: Edit Post

Well I used to live in jamaica but now I live in england. I came back for christmas to treasure beach. the great thing about treasure beach is that while it has its tourist it still keeps its charm, its not over developed and I feel like I am coming home every time I visit.
While I agree that we need to change with the times, dont you think it is important that we try and fix the roads first, which I think is in an appalling conditions. Which roads are the tourist going to drive on when they come to TB on a plane? leave TB as a rustic place with its charms, dont make it too over commercialised.I have nothing against Jason or any other person who decides to come and live there but think of all the ramifications of this sea plane.. dont spoil treasure beach...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ask Polite on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

If one person makes noise it is no call for another to make noise. The plane can not take off without too much noise. It is not possible to do that. People can make their music softer in a second. If your neighbor is making too much noise from the music then be polite and ask him to turn it down. Thats all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB Girl. on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 01:25 pm: Edit Post

Hi Betsy Carpenter,

I am glad you did that,I hope more people that on vacation are visiting TB will read on TB wesite or hear about it,and do some thing like what you did to help the people of TB to vote against it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By E. NY on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 06:29 pm: Edit Post

Big up to Jake and Rebecca. Rebecca, can't wait to come have a cold one wid u.

I am an oldtimer and I love improvements/changes.

Love and respect to all.

Aye sah!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Private Land on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 05:04 pm: Edit Post

Mr. Henzell, with all due respect, do you want me to run my business on your private land? I think not.

Please show me the same respect and do not run your business on my property.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tb resident abroad on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 06:07 pm: Edit Post

If the Great Pond is used for watering cattle as it was when I was a child then I would say NO.

If the dust is going to cover the community I would say NO.

If the noise is going to be unbearable to those living very close then I would say NO.

I think the people in the community should hold a town meeting and vote on the matter or get in touch with their MP and let him handle the matter.
That's his job to help when all else fails.

To be honest I do not see this lasting over a long haul and, if it does I can see only one landing daily. (That's how I feel).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bitter on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:09 pm: Edit Post

This is what I am bitter about. I am bitter because i find out important things about Treasure beach in ways like this. Talking to people after i saw the posts I find out this has been discussed hush hush for several months. No one was man enough to come out and say to all the people: this is what I am doing or this is what i am planning to do. To find out any serous answers i must go to a meeting and i am not even certain of where this meeting will be. Then I know I will hear sweet talk from people whos schooling is better then mine and if i have something to say i am a nobody and my words will not count. Thats what I am bitter about.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 12:23 pm: Edit Post

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFO. THINK ABOUT IT. THIS IS EXCITED


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:49 pm: Edit Post

There're so many things to be more concern about, more than Plane landing in great pond. How many has seen in the paper where the Caribbean faces a Tsunami threat? This is a serious thing, and we all should be concern about this. I read it in the paper and I went on the web-site and saw it. This is the web-site www.Gleanerexrta.com. click on Achives, go to select issue, select date Jan 29-Feb 4. ScroOl down to where it says.
"REGION FACES TSUNAMI THREAT" AND READ THAT STORY. VERY INTRESTED.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nicole - TH, LLC on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:26 pm: Edit Post

Having spent much time in the Treasure Beach area personally as well as being in communication with the villas we work with, this does not seem
to be an idea that will benefit the many, but only the limited few.

There should be a complete environmental impact study done taking into consideration the bird life/wildlife. I'm sure we all remember the jet brought down in the Hudson River a month ago? That was due to a bird strike.

Now imagine trying to take off or land a sea plane into a flock of birds on the pond. As the tourist from Portland, OR mentioned it is challenging enough to find medical help in TB for small accidents let alone the possibility of a larger one.

Energies should be made towards keeping Treasure Beach clean - Bottle pick up, battery disposal, proper sewage etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Maro22 on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:35 pm: Edit Post

Betsy.......Thank you for your support on this seaplane issue. I believe that the best way to vote on this issue is how we spend our money in Treasure Beach or any part of Jamaica.

I am in favor of environmental protection as well. Jake's and Jack Sprat's are two of my favorite places to eat ,but I will not be going there in April.

The Treasure Beach/ Malvern area of Jamaica is so beautiful and I will do what I can to preserve its character.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By future visitor on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 06:41 pm: Edit Post

Based on what you've read in these postings? What exactly have you read in these postings?

It appears to me that the vast majority of these postings are anonymous - with the poster neither providing an email address nor even a real name; Therefore, how do you know that most of these posts aren't from the same disgruntled individual?

Somebody has claimed that,"THERE WERE ALOT OF LOCALS THERE WHEN THE PLANE LANDED AND NO ONE SO FAR HAD ANY OBJECTIONS."

How would you know if the individuals griping on this thread, outnumber the "locals" greeting the plane?

And I wonder, are the masseuse' used at Jake's all Henzells (you'd be stickin' to them then I guess) or otherwise (you'd just be shortchanging some local); are they paid by the massage; would you have given a tip?

As a visitor, Betsy, I just don't think you know enough about the issues to be passing judgement just yet. But go ahead, cast your "vote".

As for me, I'm just hoping this brouhaha doesn't affect my upcoming visit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Meeting Attendee on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 07:17 am: Edit Post

The meeting was quite well attended and quite well conducted. I found it especially interesting to have Mr. Henzell provide a series of "facts," including several of which were later refuted by several attendees and landowners who had obviously spent a good deal of time doing research. I also found it troubling that a few people in the audience were not mature enough to sit politely without shouting out comments.

After listening to everyone, my understanding of the situation is the landowners will ALL have to give permission for the plane to land on their property, or the matter of the seaplane landing on the Great Pond is over. If they all do give permission, then there are still other legal obstacles; but the permission must come before anything else is pursued.

If the landowners do not give permission, Mr. Henzell could choose to have the seaplanes land on the sea right near Jakes, or he could provide a landing strip on the ground.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Go on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:44 am: Edit Post

Bowl did not say he heard it from his Yard ...He heard it from land to he owes across the road from Great Pond.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:06 am: Edit Post

Is there any photo of the Plane landing? I would love to see them, This is my home town, which I have migrated from to live in the U.S.A I'm sorry I wasn't there to be a part of history.

PLEASE POST THOSE PIX.I WANT TO SEE DA PLANE LANDIN!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:30 am: Edit Post

All the negative thinking has bite me to my Bones and heated my Blood. What's all this bitterness about. (Unno just koll nuh man and let a good thing flo!!!) Come off Jason back and give the man a break. This is all foolishness now. let the good time flo in Treasure Beach, and let us all live in Peace and unity.

United we stand, divided we fall.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By flatbush on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 02:44 am: Edit Post

Long talk, long talk. Jason and Rebecca real quiet pon dis topic. Not so much Jason, but Rebecca. Come up Rebecca if is even to say Hi and Bye.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Please Post Presentation on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 10:02 am: Edit Post

Jason had prepared his remarks last night. They were written down. It might be good if he would put a copy of his presentation here for all to see, not only for the people who attended the meeting.

Rebecca will state her opinion if she has one. She did not attend the meeting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

someone said they live 1.5 miles from the Pond and the noise from the Plane would wake the dead. He never said he heard it from his property across from the Pond. Let us be fair minded


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Answer on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 09:52 am: Edit Post

Yes, Miss Rebecca is really quiet on this one. Hmm, I wonder why? I hope there aren't any ill feelings hanging around. Speak up Miss Rebecca or better yet, maybe you have been using a different screen name. I hope not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB Girl on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 11:11 am: Edit Post

i had write a few lines an i was not posted i am wondering why.all i did was put the truth down which was the good and bad about it.TB is were i was born an grow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By enquirer on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 10:01 am: Edit Post

While on the subject of planes does any remember the year the plane crashed behind Mass Ren shop in Frenchman Bay


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 08:53 am: Edit Post

Just a little info. It wasn't any little bird that cause that Airline to go down in the Hudson River. It was reported that it was a flock of Geese, and they were very big, report say they weight up to 6 pounds.... It's not birds like what we have in T/Beach. Little Nightengale, Peadove , grounddove and squit. There's NO Birds in Great Pond to drop a plane.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karen & Peter Kennedy on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 08:50 am: Edit Post

At the meeting, Anabelle Todd explained she feels the tourists who come to Treasure Beach are looking for a special and unique experience, something they cannot find elsewhere in Jamaica. They are not looking for another Negril. We agree with her.

That is why we first came to Treasure Beach in 1985. That is why we kept coming back for our vacations. That is why we bought land and had our villa built (using local workers as much as possible).

We have been in the villa rental business since the beginning of 1992. We employ eight in our two villas. Not one of our employees has ever left his or her job since they were employed.

More than half our first-time renters explain they do not want to come to another Negril; many of them had vacationed in Ochie or MoBay or Negril before coming to Treasure Beach, and they were sick of the hassles and the noise. After coming to Treasure Beach, they return again and again -- and they tell their friends about this very special place. Then, their friends come and are also able to enjoy what we think is one of the most special places on earth. And, those people then tell their friends.

Though several of them would prefer to have a shorter commute to Treasure Beach from MoBay, they enjoy the ride and do not complain. They are met at the airport by a safe, friendly driver who takes care of them from the moment they step out of the airport until when they arrive at the villa. They can stop to do a little bit of shopping, change money, and have a delicious meal on the way to Treasure Beach. They also have an opportunity to see the varying Jamaican scenery as they pass from area to area.

If seaplanes are able to land in Treasure Beach, they would not bring in very many extra tourists a day because they cannot carry more than a few passengers.

As Treasure Beach relies more and more on tourism, we need to clean up our act here and make the infrastructure better for the residents and tourists alike. People complain about our roads; these need to be repaired. People complain about the lack of water; this situation needs to be rectified. People complain about the overflowing trash bins; something needs to be done to get these emptied more frequently. To us, handling these problems (and more) is far more essential than finding a new way to bring in not many more tourists a day. Let's make the experience of each and every tourist we already have as wonderful as possible; them telling their friends are what will bring in more tourists. Also, by fixing these situations, it will make it better for each and every resident.

And, let's do what we can to improve the education of every young person in the communiy. This will help make it possible to equip them for the jobs of the future.

We do not want another Negril. We want a Treasure Beach that is wonderful and special for all who vacation and live here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 09:19 am: Edit Post

Jason has done much good.

Thus: To question any of his projects is being

negative and slows down employment opportunity.

So: Anyone not in agreement should not speak on

these subjects or reverse their opinion.

If so it go, there goes freedom of speech and

the door to possible unpleasant consequences

opens. It would be a shame, many of us and

multitudes of our ancestors worked hard for

this.

Think our way or you are against progress.

Sounds like politriks of the old and dead kind.

The community depends on intelligent consensus

and clear communication to operate vigourously

and honestly.

I can only tell Future Visitor that we usually

keep brouhaha in the Dance Hall and at our

carnivals. Look forward to your upcoming trip

and know you will be well looked after.

Pondplane or not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 08:47 am: Edit Post

Let's sing a redim!!!!!!!!!
De plane lan...... yes de plane lan..... den a weh it land...... nuh inna great pond.me sory me neva de bak a yade fe se dis yah pece a histry......wow!!! me sary me muma and me pupa neva liv fe se da plane lan......whe yu sa ... den u dd se any bird...... whe kine a bud... dry foot nightengale 2 ground duv few boldplate and 2 lan nek galing..... den dem fly near de plane.... wha name so..... dem flap dem wing and fly out to sea.....all me can seh.. yes it lan...... de plane lan innaaa great ponddddddddddddd. wow it sweet me so till!!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Questioning on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 05:13 pm: Edit Post

If the seaplane venture does not happen, does this mean a paved airstrip might be built in Treasure Beach? That could be even worse.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Admirer on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 02:57 pm: Edit Post

Thank you, Miss and Mr. Kennedy, for your level-headed comments. I also appreciate you not saying anything unkind about Mr. Henzell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By COUNTRY BOY on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 03:54 pm: Edit Post

WHAT THE LADY TODD IS SAYING NOT BAD AT ALL BUT TREASURE BEACH NEEDS TO HOLD ON TO SOME THING.FOR IT SELF REMEMBER WE HAD WHARF A BANK HARDWARE A BIKE SHOP NONE IS LEFT STANDING TO DAY.LET,S TURN AROUND FROM THE SEA A BIT. AND LOOK AT THE MOUNTAIN LOOK AT SANTA CRUZ.JUNCTION. SOUTHFIELD THEY ARE BUILDING ON WHAT THEY GOT.COUNT THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN TREUB AND NOT BOOK STORE. I REMEMBER SOME ONE WAS AGAINST PHONE COMING TO TREUB SAYING THAT IT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE PEACE IN THE COMMUNITY.KEEPING TREUB IN THIS WAY IS LIKE LOVING BABY DUCKS OLD PICKUP TRUCKS SLOW MOVING TRAIN. SOME ONE TOLD ME THAT PLANE CRASH WAS LATE 68 PLEASE LET ME NOW IF AM TOO AMBITIOUS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ACTION on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 07:30 pm: Edit Post

(Luv da plane)
Sea plane landing at Great Pond wont be historical plane has landed at Pedro Pen in Great Bay sometime in the sixties on more than one occasion,is\nt there a zoning law in Jamaica .There was guest house owner who once fence off a part of the Great Bay beach for his guests , the people reported to the beach authority ,soon after they have take it down ,so if the people united it cannot happen (for those who mention Bob Marley) he also said , GIVE THEM ON INCH THEY TAKE A YARD .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

I was a little girl at primary school when that Plane drop at Frenchman. So how a Plane that drop so many years ago get into de Plane a land in a Great Pond??????????? Look how many Airlines drop and how many people got killed and that doesn't stop Plane from flying.Look how many vehicle crashed and many lives lost and people still driving. I have flew so many times and any time I heard that a Plane drop, I just tell myself that God will protect me and even if I have to die in a Plane, we all have to die to go to our destination so let us put all negetive thinking aside.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rohan on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 10:02 pm: Edit Post

It is very sad to see how differences of opinions and dreams can bring out the worst in folks. Reading through the postings on this thread, i read so much personal attacks against Jason, Rebecca and even fellow posters. Diversity is a stength but we make it seem unwelcome and irrelevant. So what if Jason's dream is bigger than you can imagine or accept? Is that reason slander? What if Rebecca chooses not to post a comment? is That reason to attack? We behave like children, and other times like bullies.

I apprecaite everything Jason has done for the community. I have seen him render his kindness unselfishly and without thought for a gain. He is also a business man and every investment ultimately seeks a return on that investment. Be respectful to the man and his business and learn to disagree with civility and respect.

I am opposed to planes landing on the Great pond. I don't think the unspoiled beauty and simple living of Treasure Beach needs that kind of a development. I admire the thought but as a person who calls Treasure Beach home, it is the simplicity and tranquility of being so far removed from your resort style communities like negril and ocho rios that makes Treasure Beach such a peaceful place and a welcome difference for those who call it home and those who make it their destination of choice. I am sorry but i feel that the majority of Treasure Beach will not benefit from this new venture.

I hope we can put the trash talk aside and post facts and respectful agreements or disagreements so all can benefit. The ability to offend and bash is not a gift, it is the misguided input of intellectual arrogance.

When this is all said and done, people's personal choice and stake in this matter will prevail. If the landowners choose no then no it is if they choose yes then yes it becomes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By luv da plane on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 11:34 pm: Edit Post

Right now no one is talking about Helicopter that used to land up in the Bluff at Great-Bay, and the fencing off of the beach. We a deal wed strickly de Plane a land in a Great Pond. When we get bitter, (BOB MARLEY SAY " THERE'S NO HIDING PLACE FROM THE FATHER (GOD) OF CREATION" If I was there I would sure to bust a tune bout da plane landing in a great pond. I cant wait to here when the next one come in....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Good Bad on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 08:21 am: Edit Post

Yes Jason Henzel do provide jobs for people in Treasure Beach and beyond.
He does have a good marketing team.
I love the food that is serve at Jakes (jerk chicken pasta) heavenly.
Jack Spart for garlic Lobster and bammy are all some of the positives that Jason Henzel offer.
The down side for me is
All most every guest house in Treasure Beach recommends their guests go to one of his resturants for a meal (that's supporting Jason) the down side is that when they go there workers from Jakes hang out there selling boat ride or tours, to these guests that have already made arrangement with their guest house, in these cases the worker will try his hardest to get them to changed their minds even if it at a lost to them. This is also taking from other people in Treasure Beach who has to make a living like everyone else at Jakes. Back off and respect others too.
Some guets houses have even stop recommending Jakes or Jack Spart for meal anymore. Don't get me wrong because when I visit I'll be visiting these places smell and all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By History lesson on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 07:00 am: Edit Post

I wonder if so many people would have come to that meeting and been as outspoken if it was to discuss the terrible situation with the water supply in Treasure Beach. No...because more people want to see a plane land in Great Pond than have water. As Jamaican's we seem to have our priorities all wrong...once again. You want 'progress' then you should fight for better schools, better water and safe roads.

North American Native Indians were seduced by the settlers because they gave them colorful beads to play with but eventually took away all their land. By the time they realized what was happening it was too late. Be careful what you wish for...you might end up with a whole pile of beads.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By dj on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 01:56 pm: Edit Post

Don`t the Rich and Famous already arrive at Jakes in a Helicopter, next to "Peaceful" Frenchman`s? Does this create jobs for the local youth? Do any of these few elite actually leave the premises once they are at the resort?? donate anything to TB? ie "Fergie" and others rumoured to have been at Jakes..


Return long- term visitors are what bring jobs. Creating relationships with the locals is what brings donations.

Many times, I have heard new timers comment on the garbage,{our driver just throwing it out the window of the taxi}. The burning of neuro-toxins ie. styrofoam and plastic. The fogging for mosquitos. The routine practice of poisoning all dogs,as a form of animal control.These are all behaviors that need to be updated.
Progress IS good.

The average visitor to TB comes for the peaceful seaside.Creating a pleasant environment is benficial to the health and well being of residents and visitors alike.

I fail to see how the added noise and fuel pollution of a seaplane is going to improve tourism or the life style of locals.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bempe on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 07:47 am: Edit Post

Rohan, there cannot be personal attacks here as they are not allowed. At times I am really dismayed at what is allowed, and is not considered an attack and then something is not allowed but is considered one. I mean, sometimes they are so obvious one way or another that a child could figure it out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lets Work Together on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 10:13 am: Edit Post

Such good comments this morning.

Obtaining clean water on a constant basis is essential. Timely collection of garbage is very important. Having our roads repaired CORRECTLY is vital. Stopping establishments from using styrofoam is very important. Burning things which release pollutants into the air must be stopped. Our schools must be improved.

I think people here have given up on these things because they never seem to be fixed. This may be why they found it easier to come together on one of our problems which is the seaplanes. We must learn we must work together to improve MANY things in Treasure Beach. The seaplanes are not our only problem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By My Feeling on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 08:06 am: Edit Post

Mr. Rohan you are very correct in what you are saying. There is no need to bash anyone about the seaplane idea. Jason has done much good for Treasure Beach. He is an excellent businessman. This is one time he overstepped his boundaries. I do not think he understood so much of the community would be against his new idea. I do not think he realize how much research the opposing people would do before the meeting because they are seriously up for a fight. I think Jason has the good sense to drop this idea and work on all his other businesses.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:36 am: Edit Post

Yes History Lesson, some of the very beads are waiting for a spot to show themselves, I hope it will be in TB.

Land take over is one aspect. Changes in the area in which the land is sited is the other.

For me, the time has come to practice changes in my own life and seek to creat and encourage the exploration of sustainable development wherever I am.

Any program that increases local human anxiety and environmental stressors and diminishes natural beauty in all its forms needs to be examined closely.

My experience has been that, as has been said here before, when an inch is given, a foot is usually expected next. One acre cut and cleared for $ mek, so what is another 10, 100......

Why am I posting so much all of a sudden?

I feel that we are at a cross roads in the direction things will go in the TB community and beyond.

Two roads, Babylon or Eden.

I choose Eden.

I choose to practice the ancient charge of Stewardship.

I exagerate and am overly dramatic? probably; my astrologically inclined friends tell me it's a Leo trait.

If action is not taken NOW, it gets more difficult to reverse the local effects of Babylon; but also, we miss the chance of being on the cutting edge of the new eco-conomy. The emerging tourist does not want sound and pressure, everywhere. Neither do I or most of those I know.

Big talk? for sure. I see nothing else that makes sense.

The Taino were most fascinated with 'turey' the mysterious brasses and bronzes from the old world. They had never smelled such a thing before.

Brass eyelets from shoes could be traded for food and more. Glass beads shone with light but our forefathers were entranced when the Bronze Age hit.

500 years ago.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 11:41 am: Edit Post

Lets Work Together makes one.

I agree with Lets work together.

That makes two..........


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Inquirer on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 10:31 am: Edit Post

O Boy, funny how the mind works. For be the thoughts from destruction when I posted the question. I was not even school age when the accident took place but reading this thread brought it back vaguely to mind just the same way some one on this thread mentioned memories of stories told when the first plane was heard in Jamaica.

Talk about negativity, Luv de plane, who is really negative........ I did not ask for statistics or the odds of accidents happenning by plane verses cars. I hope one day to touch down in Treasure Beach on a plane. Not because you don't want to be reminded does not mean that other people would not be interested in that piece of Treasure history and for the most part many people might not even have known about it and would like to.

Much appreciation and respect to Jason and Rebecca for not writing on this thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Simi on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 04:02 pm: Edit Post

Are to we conclude the issue of the seaplane is over and done with?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Concern on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 07:20 am: Edit Post

I have heard if the plane is not alowed to land on the Great Pond there will be another spot selected in Treasure Beach. Someone said it might be in the Billys Bay area. Mr. Henzell, would you comment on this, sir?

Is this a battle that is destined to go on and on, or is it done?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fed up a people abroad on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 10:34 pm: Edit Post

From what am understanding Mr. Henzell is just a friend of this person who own this seaplane and all i can read from these posting is Mr. Henzell being bash. You can choose your friends but cannot tell then what to do. If Mr. Henzell even walk away from this venture and the owner of the seaplane still decide he wants to go ahead what will you all say to Mr. Henzell. People overseas i think you should focus on what is going on in your own country and leave people business a yard alone, because really most of you posting comments live a broad and sometimes do not give a two cent about people living back here. Thank God for Mr. Henzell Treasure woman can be independent.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Not Bashing People on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:46 am: Edit Post

We would be against the seaplane no matter who offers the service. We are NOT from abroad.

Mr. Henzell is not being bashed. The way he went about tring to get the seaplane to land here without first getting OK from the landowners is what is being bashed. Not him.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:20 am: Edit Post

Whew! This thread (and the other one entitled It Landed) have generated quite a few postings over the last few days. In an effort to lessen confusion, etc. we will close both Plane Landed and Quiet For Too Long and ask that any further comments be posted under the Speech by Jason Henzell Addressing the Sea Plane.

A link will be provided in the thread back to both Plane Landed and Quiet for Too Long making it easy for anyone to review previous comments made in either thread.

Click here to go to the new thread.

-TBNet