Follow-up or 'Down' With Sports Park

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Follow-up or 'Down' With Sports Park
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By What's-up TB on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:22 pm: Edit Post

It seems to me the people of TB are scared of voicing their opinions in public - we talk behind the scenes and that's it.
Firstly PHASE 1 as outlined by A Todd says it will be taking place soon between Breds and the Government. Is Breds the Community of TB? Why is the peoples voice not heard? I can tell you the majority of the people are against this 'Monster' that is creeping upon us.
Another point is that 2 acres will be allotted for Parking on western side (Miss Sheila's end). Who authorized all of this - 2 acres mean that they are expecting to host a huge amount of cars. What is happening around us TB - someone has got to stop it before it erupts!! This is a private lane and who has authorized such magnitude of cars to be tracking up and down as residents will want to get in and out. It cannot even manage dual traffic - Oh!! Where are the people of TB? Has anyone talked about this to the Community? This is a private road. Not to mention the unsafe environment that will be created by such a development - persons will have to now spend money to put in grills and those without gates - gates etc. Not to mention the excess noise and pollution by excess traffic.
This also goes for the road past Loxley - these are all private lanes. Can you imagine an event being held here and residents want to get out to do their business - not to mention an emergency - God forbid.
This cannot and must not happen - the people have to be a part of whatever takes place here.
When are these planners going to meet with the Community before this volcano erupts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G-man on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 12:03 pm: Edit Post

Well, not many people have come out and stated their names on this forum. Those of us on this forum that know the people of Calabash Bay and Frenchman that are directly involved have no way of knowing how they feel. I remember Bowl talking about access but that's about it. Miss Sheila lives in the lane and is a member of the Breds board. How does she feel about it? How does Ebanks and Senior and Keith and the other nearby residents that are directly impacted feel? If they are for it then why should the rest of us come out against it? That's why "we talk behind the scenes and that's it".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Was There on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:10 am: Edit Post

The planners HAVE met with the community. I attended that meeting. My impression of the meeting was the planners made a presentation explaining what the Sports Park would include. It was, I believe, called a STADIUM at that meeting. Some questions from the audience were answered and others were not. My feeling was the meeting was held to build up community enthusiasm for what was DEFINITELY GOING TO HAPPEN. It did NOT appear to be the type of meeting where people could learn enough to be sufficiently INFORMED and then be able to voice their true opinions. The kind of opinions that were voiced were things like "I would like it to have a swimming pool". I did not feel like my opinion mattered. I felt like if I voiced any kind of objection the other people there would decide I was being negative and was not supporting something for the community benefit.

My personal opinion is too many people have sat back and not participated in the community on an EVERY DAY basis. They might have a march or a protest but then they sit back and let others do things. They complain if the road or beach has hgarbage on it but they do not stop to pick up that garbage or tell other people not to throw their garbage where it does not go. Most parents do not even attend PTA meetings and then they complain about the schools. Or they wait for the goverment to help and the government doen't help and then they complain. People always say they are too busy to do this and that. Or they think their opinions won't matter so they do nothing. Look how hard it was even to get so many people to go vote. O we have a new MP and nobody even takes the time to tell him how they feel about things. So what has happened is BREDS has put some people active in the community on their board and BREDS has taken the place of INDEPENDENT community leaders.

I do not know if the Sports Park can be stopped. But I do know it is up to people from every district to decide they are in charge of their own lives and their own future and their own childrens future. Then they must take the time and the energy to work for what they think is best in the community and in the schools. If not BREDS will automatically stay as the community leader because no one else is willing to be in charge. Complaining is not how to change things. DOING is how to change things. If not its true that your opinion won't matter. It will only be wasted energy. If you want something to happen you must MAKE something happen. If you want to be in charge you must make that happen. Stop sitting and complaining. Start DOING.

If we WORK TOGETHER we can make things happen. If not BREDS will be in charge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 02:52 pm: Edit Post

By I Was There, you laid it out straight.

One of the first items on the agenda of any unified community would be: who is included?

BREDS has stood up and is counted and is a good example of what can be done. The Sports Park project is a nucleus around which community participation is already gathered and this is a test of BREDS as inclusive or exclusive.

Assuming BREDS is inclusive, the next group are the TB residents and Jamaican landowners that are in foreign or out of the community.

The last but not least group; the land owners who are not Jamaicans.

There are also caring voices that should be given their listen.

I detect a critical mass of goodwill and some endemic shyness.

Great that we do not shout and throw tantrums as elsewhere. Do we realise what an accomplishment that is!

Look forward to more goodness.

And, I'm ready like Freddy!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Coppa on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 04:40 pm: Edit Post

Well, what I've gathered from this website is abosuletly nothing. I can see what 'gman' is trying to say when hes states that those being affected by this are ok with it. On the other hand, one must take into concideration that fish being fried in the kitchen can be smelt from all rooms of the house. So, eventually its will not only be the people who are closest to this complex that will be affected, but the whole community in both negatvie and positive aspects. For example, this could be a chance for tourism to further soar throught the roof and job opportunities to arise for the people of treasure beach, but 'gi dem a foot, and they'll take a mile'. Eventually more big corporations are gonna see tb as a chance to make money, and eventually our once humble home, will become no more than a place seen as 'profit' for jamaica's government, resulting in a rise in population, and activity.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Was There on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 06:04 pm: Edit Post

I was very interested in the meeting but I did not like alot of what I was hearing. I asked one question but I was not called on when I wanted to ask more. I had a feeling but I do not know that the planners wanted me to not say something that might be taken as negative because it seemed like no one up front looked at me even though my hand was raised alot.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Broken Treasure on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 06:40 pm: Edit Post

I now challenge A. Todd who so willfully met with Jason, to meet with some prominent members of the community to find out what they think about such a venture as a 'Sports Park'. I am not in the Community so please don't tell me to do it. She has been doing well so far and is considered a dutiful member of the Community. I will publicly give a few names here :-
Miss Rebecca, Miss Sheila, Miss Lisa, Maas Lancel, Maas Blue, Maas Dolphie, Aaman, Mrs. Kennedy, Miss Bev, Miss Zane, and some of the Villa owners, and I could go on - but this will give a more rounded reflection of problems or concerns which the community might have. If you noticed I have not called any youngsters name as 'old broom know the corner' (Smile).
Please don't see this as a bother but we need the Community's input - sitting on a Board doesn't mean you are in agreement with everything the Board decides to do.
I again challenge Annabelle if she has the Community at heart to go a step further to do this on its behalf.
I will anxiously await a feedback - names don't have to be called but just a general review or feedback will be appreciated.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 08:03 pm: Edit Post

Ms Todd did us a great favour by pulling tongue.

Please do not put her in the center of any potential cyclone. She is a messenger as she stated in her her report.

If she chooses to do her thing quietly and let us know, good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 08:36 pm: Edit Post

Broken Treasure, your calling out names would carry a lot more weight if you had called your own first.

With respect to all who are active on this Forum, I am with those who say that using an alias here is a form of hiding from your words. It is easy to say words when they can not be traced back to you. If it means something to you, say it loud and say it proud.

-Eric


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karen Kennedy on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 06:06 am: Edit Post

Broken Treasure, I am not a resident of Treasure Beach, though it is definitely my "second home," and I am quite involved with the community. While I have strong opinions on the Sports Park, I do not believe interviewing me would be of any benefit. If I actually had a "vote" that would count, I would be glad to express my views. However, I do not believe such is the case.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Puzzled on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:58 pm: Edit Post

'Broken Treasure' has just given us another example of why so many choose not to exert themselves in or on behalf of the community.
Why should Miss Todd be challenged to do anything, simply because she volunteered to deliver some useful information to the rest of us. She, having done that, should thereafter be left alone, unless she chooses to do anything else.
And on what basis do you volunteer all these other persons for consultations?
Strange!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G-man on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 10:25 am: Edit Post

"Broken Treasure", you are on the right track as to the approach needed to determine where the support (or lack thereof)for this project is coming from. It does seem as if it will benefit the community but there is going to be a serious cost down the road. Are the residents in the vicinity of the park welcoming of the project? If no, then something can and should be done to limit the scope of the project. And I don't think it is entirely neccessary to identify who you are if you are not tracing off anybody. You are a born and bred Treasure Beach person and that is good enough for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Broken Treasure on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 01:25 pm: Edit Post

No harm was intended - I only chose these names because some of these people live in the lanes planned to be used as access - how do they feel having their private roads turned into a major thoroughfare.
The other names are villa owners - how do they feel about this - views from guests etc. and effect if any on their businesses.
The other names were representatives from a public entity - the school - so that was the way I chose those names.
I only asked Annabelle as she had started rolling the ball which was stagnant despite repeated requests to meet with the organizers, who it seems to me just keep doing their own thing - regardless of the Community's feedback via sites like these.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vexed Villa Owner on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 01:54 pm: Edit Post

I am saying this without having asked the other villa owners with whom I regularly communicate, but I have an excellent idea about how most of them are reacting to the Sports Park development; this is something that has been a topic of conversation among us for some time. They do not welcome it, plain and simple. To list their names would be incorrect of me. To have them list their own names would be futile. None of us has a choice in the matter.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 01:45 pm: Edit Post

I have never met you Mrs Kennedy, but it is plain to see that you have made yourself a welcomed newcomer.

If my vote for you counts. you have mine.

Everyone that has spent time in TB leaves their mark. Some are short but sweet memories, some are their long term contributions to the welbeing of the community. The born de have no choice and in my experience are good neighbours and have played their part in keeping TB what it is now.

As a friend of mine observed about his corner, those that feel unwelcome, leave. Voluntarily.

I used to be annoyed with the 'outsider' label when I first formalised my presence by land purchase. I now understand that inclusion or exclusion is my decision. I would appreciate feedback from born de folk on my perceptions.

I can only imagine the beauty that is going to spring from the earth after Gustav's drenching.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 01:47 pm: Edit Post

Yes I do agree with your idea BT, just to leave it for people to volunteer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Was There on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 05:01 pm: Edit Post

This is not meant to be a trick or rude question. Assuming many people do not like the idea of a Sports Park- maybe even the majority, what REAL difference will that make except to cause dissention?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Plenty Angry on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 07:45 am: Edit Post

After careful consideration, I have a very bad feeling that this has the ability to be another Canal in the making. I am not talking about the ugliness of the Canal. I am talking about what happens when something with this ability to affect the entire community is planned to be built without the wholehearted approval of the community - homeowners, other residents, people who own guesthouses, people who own villas, people who own hotels.

I am talking about when something this large is designed in less than a totally professional manner, built in phases because there is insufficient money to draw up a comprehensive plan - and because of lack of funds not being able to have the building proceed until the entire project is completed. This should not be an experiment of sorts; it needs to be done absolutely professionally.

I also know something of this magnitude will require a VERY professional and experienced manager to take it from the concept stages through final construction. It will also require at least one VERY experienced full time manager to oversee it when it is completed. This is not the place to use unproven management. We are not talking about a four bedroom guesthouse or a little shop or bar. We are talking about a MAJOR undertaking - the biggest in Treasure Beach's life.

Until someone can convince me the Sports Park is merely a different form of the Canal, I stand firmly opposed to the way in which is appears it will be implemented.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sick on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 03:33 pm: Edit Post

If this land was bought for the community why did the government give breds the choice to by this land after there lease is expired,this does not sound wright,the community should make that choice to keep the land or let breds by it. They did not by the land for us, I think the land was bought under false pretend,they think when we heard that the land was bought for the community we would not question any thing, and we would believed every thing that presented to us.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Plenty Angry on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 06:20 am: Edit Post

If the citizens of Treasure Beach do not stand up to the Sports Park - if some community leaders do not provide leadership and guidance in doing so - if people sit back and wait for others to do this, then everyone can look themselves in the mirror to see exactly who is responsible for what has happened. It is not someone else's responsibility - it is everyone's responsibility. It is YOUR responsibility. THIS is when to complain. THIS is the time to stand up for your community - for your children - for your parents - for those who cannot help themselves. Take responsibility now - or you will be responsible for the consequences of doing nothing.