Sports Park Plan Discussion

Treasure Beach Forum: TB Runnin's: Sports Park Plan Discussion
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A.Todd on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:33 pm: Edit Post

Okay...exhale everybody and please remember not to shoot the messenger.

On Friday, I spoke with Jason Henzell who is the founder and chairman of BREDS – Treasure Beach Foundation.

The History
The idea of a Sports Park came to Jason from Darrin James who believed that a facility such as this would be an asset to Treasure Beach. The land was purchased by the government from Darrin's uncle Ralph James for a nominal fee. BREDS leases the property from the government for a 'peppercorn rental'. There is a 25 year lease on the property with an option to renew for another 24 years, after which time there will be an option to purchase outright. Jason has advised that if anyone would like a better idea on what the ultimate product will be like could visit the Alpart Sports Park in Nain.

The Sports Park consists of fifteen acres with the boundaries being Fisherman's lane to the west, the road behind the ice factory to the north and the lane that runs past Lancel Graham or Loxley to the east. There are three access roads. Fisherman's Lane will be a one way in and the lane by Lancel (opposite Dubloon) will be a one way out. The road behind the ice factory will be a two way road in and out. Negotiations and discussions are taking place to purchase portions of property along this two way road in order to widen it.

There is a 5-7 year time line for the full completion of the park and will be completed in stages based on financing. The final product will consist of one main football field, one practice field, two tennis courts, one cricket pitch, one netball court, one basketball court, a community center which will include a gym/weight room, changing rooms (bathrooms/showers etc), an office, a canteen, and a skills training classroom. There will also be walking trails, picnic tables and benches throughout the park and a play area for children which will include jungle gyms and other facilities for children. The pond will remain and will be a green space, with trees to be planted and benches and seating areas implemented. There will be no landing strip for aircraft. Currently portions of the land have been cleared by volunteers from the Treasure Beach United Football Club for the football field. Unfortunately lignum vitae trees were cut down but there has been a committed promise to replant those and other trees.

BREDS is working in conjunction with 2 Jamaican consultants from England Errol Palmer and George Anthony Davis who have implemented a similar facility in England called TEN-EM-BEE with success. These consultants will be paid a nominal fee.

The Sports Park will be a multi functional facility and will be used for the following purposes:
A sports and recreation facility for members of the community and visitors to the area.

A sports training facility for teams and individuals (amateur level) from Jamaica and overseas. There are no plans for it to be a training facility for international or world class athletes.
A facility to promote sports tourism, whereas school teams or corporate teams from overseas can train while participating in the 'Treasure Beach' experience.

A 'HART' type educational training facility for education in the areas of tourism, hospitality, environmental issues, fishing and farming to name a few.

A facility where members of the community can socialize.
Long term plans include working with outside agencies such as 'Outward Bound' in the development of leadership programs for youth from both Jamaican and overseas.

Funding and Financing.
As the Sports Park is in the early stages of development there are no concrete figures as to what the final cost will be or what the cost will be to maintain it. Jason said that once the figures are determined they will be made public. The park will be developed in stages based on financing. BREDS aim is to finance the project through private and corporate donations and will be in dialogue with institutions such as Scotia Bank, Digicel, Puma to name a few. The facility will also be available for rental for functions (eg weddings/birthdays) and events (sport and music) in order to generate income for the maintenance and upkeep. Jason is aware of the major concern regarding noise and the 'type' of events which will be hosted there. He has assured me that any event that will be staged there will be 'family' oriented and that those renting the facility will have to follow very strict guidelines and sign an agreement as to those guidelines to ensure that there will be no events that will attract an unsavory crowd. He has also stated that if these guidelines are not adhered to the renter will be fine and banned. Those that have complaints can direct them to BREDS and to the police.
Financing will also come from the traditional BREDS fund raising such as the dollar a night program that is already in place. In addition membership will be offered to villa owners for their personal use and the use of the guests. There are plans for a sliding scale membership for the Treasure Beach community based on income.

Phases
Phase 1 – A draft agreement between the government and BREDS is about to be signed.
Phase 2 - Create a master plan with the consultation of Mr. Palmer, Mr. Davis (England), Axel (Mar Blue) Sylvan James and Darrin James.
Phase 3 – Create written proposal which will be brought to various potential sponsors and donors.
Phare 4 – Agreement on phases of construction and implantation and creation of long term plan.

Garbage Collection
Waste facilities will be placed throughout the park along with a main pickup facility for the garbage trucks. Of course garbage pickup is dependent on the reliability of the NSWM. Also, once the government implements a recycling facility or guidelines, the Sports Park will also implement bins for recycled material.

Water
The water supply will come from 5 sources. (1) Water for maintaining the grounds will be used from the pond that is currently on the property. (2)A water harvesting program will be in place using guttering and tanks/cisterns. (3) Water from the main government water supply. (4) Resuscitation of the well which will provide non-potable water. (5) The grey water will also be used for maintenance of the grounds.

Power supply
Alternative sources of energy are being investigated and once determined which is the most viable option will be implemented to be used in conjunction with the JPS power supply.

Sewage Treatment
A sewage treatment plant will be installed.
Parking

Parking
BREDS is aware that parking is a concern and are still looking at the most practical way to implement parking. As it stands approximately 2 acres will be dedicated to parking and the current discussion is to locate it on the western side of the property at the top of Miss Sheila’s lane.

Management
The Sports Park will be managed by BREDS who will hire a facility manager.

Transparency
Jason stated that progress reports will be posted on the BREDS website and that questions can be directed to their email address.

I'm sure that there will be other questions. I have done my bit, so for those of you who have more questions please contact BREDS or Jason for the answers. It should be noted that I only got one email regarding this issue in spite of all the postings regarding the Sports Park. It is easy to hide behind the anonymity of this web site but somehow credibility is diminished when there is a lack of response.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Disappointed Tree Hugger on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:57 am: Edit Post

It appears there are already management problems with the Sports Complex. Lignam vitae trees are not cut down by mistake; they were cut down either because the "supervisors" did not bother to tell the workers (our local football club) to avoid destroying the trees at all costs or because the footballers were environmentally insensitive. These trees take roughly 100 years to grow. What does it matter if there is a "committed promise to replant" them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frenchman Girl on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 07:51 am: Edit Post

Miss Tod thanks for taking the time out to educate us abroad.I wonder if the people of Treasure Beach has this information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 09:49 am: Edit Post

Thanks Ms Todd.

A scetch of the plans with the location in context would help.

Please thank Jason for starting to remove his virtual shroud.

Maybe one day I'll explain my current duppydom. At this time I'll let the past rest in peace and not disturb the real living dead with too much illumination.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Shabba on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 08:28 am: Edit Post

This report is a big step forward as it relates to those of us "absentee" residents with an interest in returning home. A project of this size will not please everyone. At least I now have some of the facts that allow me to defer judgement and leave the planners to do their thing as I could not have implemented a better one. Thanks for the update and good luck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By unPerplexed on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 06:16 pm: Edit Post

One email??? Are you kidding?!? What a bunch of baloney. Well, thanks for doing what you did. That's excellent information and I hope your final comments will be heard. You know what will happen next right? "Well what about, blablabla and blablabla..." or "Did you ask Jason if blablabla or blablabla?"

Know that your efforts did not go unnoticed. I hope the thread (and the ridiculous countdown) will be closed once and for all. (or at least until someone else comes up with more info as you did)

THANK YOU!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Changes in TB..... on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:59 am: Edit Post

Annabelle, thank you very much for taking the time to speak with Jason and for posting the information for all of us curious folks.

I think this complex will have a big impact on those of us who love to visit the "sleepy string of fishing villages" (which may no longer be the case in a few short years). I wonder what this will do to those great, inexpensive, family-owned guest houses that I so love to visit - will they become out of my financial reach such as Jake's and many of the villas are now? I certainly hope not, but as more visitors and $$$ roll in, things naturally will change - well, I guess that's just life!

It also will impact those who are planning/dreaming to move to the area. I am one of those people - I believe I will change my plans. It is just more people/traffic than I care to deal with on a continual basis - but that's just me.

However, I do hope that it provides all that is indicated for the children of the area, and that those walking paths, picnic tables, and play areas are open for EVERYONE in the community to enjoy and not just those who are "members" - sliding scale or not!

Also, I hope the jobs will go to those in the community rather than people coming in from other areas.

Annabelle, once again, thank you for a job well done!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vexed Villa Owner on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

I appreciate Miss Todd's willingness to obtain and post the information provided by Jason. Many of us have been waiting a long time to see something in writing instead of relying on the rumor mill. I am not surprised by this information though I admit I am disappointed to learn what will be happening in Treasure Beach. I find it disrespectful that I have been approached by BREDS for the $1/night program and to contribute to the ambulance fund, but they never bothered to ask my opinion on something as important to "my" community as the Sports Park.

I am sorry Miss Todd will not be continuing to add posts. The BREDS website has not been updated since the 2005 Triathlon, and emails to the BREDS office go unanswered. Miss Todd has been our communications lifeline with regard to the Sports Park. If she would consider providing updates on the Sports Park information I would most certainly be appreciative.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious Too on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:22 am: Edit Post

Well, there goes the very character of Treasure Beach.

Time to get some press, folks. Time to gather signatures of every single person in Treasure Beach, objecting to the scheme. That would at least get some press.

A place for people to gather, hold weddings, functions, etc? Do people in Treasure Beach not know how to gather, in one another's homes, etc?

Fifteen acres is a huge chunk of land. Two acre parking lot? Huge. Sewage treatment plant? Uh oh. Big time waste they are expecting.

Sad, sad, sad.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Coralie on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:47 am: Edit Post

I think that this is a very thorough and thoughtful response.

Thanks for the update and taking the time to write it all up and post it here for all to see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By daniel on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 07:34 pm: Edit Post

consider this, in the grand sceme of things , a 15 acre,green spot(minus buildings and parking),in the center of TB(no offense,my hood here} is not a bad thing.Big Up to all involved and dont lose sight of your vision.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By one man on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:06 pm: Edit Post

Did I just read that a sewage plant is coming to Treasure Beach? Well yippee! Such a more "beneficial" leap over actually finishing the canal. Congratulations to the Government and everyone involved. Well done folks; we've finally arrived. And Atlantis may prove not to be exactly a myth after all.

Just one question though: Will the "filler" for the plant also eventually come from outside the community?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mistake on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:02 pm: Edit Post

Garbage pick-up if the trucks come. Water from a pond that's dry most of the year, augmented by taking water from the pipe that can hardly supply Frenchman and Billys Bay. Membership fees. Noise complaints to BREDS - who could not take the time to post this information themselves - or to the police who are understaffed and overburdened and who sometimes do not have a vehicle. Hundred-year old trees gone by mistake.


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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kelly on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 08:24 am: Edit Post

wow, sounds awesome!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 1 cent plus on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:34 am: Edit Post

What I find most ironic is that the people who least want change in Treasure Beach have been the biggest contributors to the changes that have already occurred. You don't seem to mind when you change it but the minute someone else does you're up in arms. A lot of you changed it for me and now that someone else is changing it for you, you know how it feels. How many of the people complaining are ex-pats who themselves changed T'beach, (in both positive and negative ways) but changed it nevertheless. How many of the people complaining are simply people who pass through T'beach a couple of times a year (if that) and now threaten never to come back if it changes too much. Quite frankly I think the decision should be left to the people of T'beach provided they are given a balanced perspective on the pros and cons of such a development. They are the ones that will have to live with it for better or for worse. The rest of you 'fi hold yu corner'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Not Kelly on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:55 am: Edit Post

wow, sounds awful!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Losing My Home? on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:40 am: Edit Post

I am more sad than ever that I will not be able to visit TB this year. Sounds as though this may be one of the last years when TB still looks like the place I want to come home and live in one day. Like "Changes in TB" I will probably now start looking to buy my tiny parcel of land somewhere other than TB. Darin is a lovely man, and Jason seems to be, too, but this plan seems wrong-headed, all out of proportion for TB.

I'm disappointed to see the plan moving forward with what seems to be no consideration for the numerous issues and concerns of residents and visitors alike.

I want to find that I am prematurely and incorrectly mourning the loss of my quiet haven, but I fear the worst.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Closeby on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:59 am: Edit Post

I am not from Tb, but will retired there soon. This is not a good thing, maybe some will think that it can be a positive thing for the area, but TB is known for its historic lay back atmosphere.This will bring others to this solemn area, and before you know it crime along with all others mischief is happening in Tb. am totally with the Curious Too time to get signatures of everyone in the area, let your voices be heard TB.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karen Kennedy on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 02:49 pm: Edit Post

When Miss Todd posted her information (above), she added "It should be noted that I only got one email regarding this issue in spite of all the postings regarding the Sports Park. It is easy to hide behind the anonymity of this web site but somehow credibility is diminished when there is a lack of response."

I was the person who sent her the list of questions via e-mail -- with my name. I fully realize this does not make me a better person than those who post messages without their names. In fact, I may be one of those people about whom others complain for attempting to make changes.

However, I do not understand why people feel compelled to always use a false name. What is going to happen to you for merely stating your opinion on something? You are no worse (or no better) than the next person. You are absolutely entitled to voice your thoughts here, whether or not they are popular or unpopular -- for something or against something -- or merely want more information on a particular topic, so long as you are polite in what you say.

Speak up. It is your community!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Janet Todd on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 04:51 pm: Edit Post

I think this dicussion should be put on hold while Treasure Beach is waiting for a hurricane (again), and Rebecca will be hugely busy doing her usual amazing hurricane coverage and information for everyone. I wonder how many letter writers are in T Beach preparing for the storm. And yes, if you are wondering, I AM Annabelle's mother


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 05:00 pm: Edit Post

Mrs Kennedy, I think each of us here that have not posted our names have their reasons. I've stated the reasons for my preference here, maybe cryptically, but stated.

Face to face is something else, for me.

When I make decisions, personal, family or business, the first value of information is its content. ID gives it that final authenticity I agree.

There are many networks of communication that evolve in all communities. The internet has given us another mode. I'm sure more feedback will come through here, great, ID or none.

Susu is idle gossip, bar chat can be exagerated, fisherman talk is for fisherman ears etc, what we feel is not easily communicated publicly for all of us.

As I process information primarily visually, I and I'm sure others look forward to the initial 3D presentation...before another tree is cut.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By one man on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 06:19 pm: Edit Post

"What's in a name? A rose by another name is just as sweet as a rose". The essence of free speech is not affected by the speaker's name or identity. Truth stands on it's own merit.

Treasure Beach is a community and is not narrowly defined by only those who may live within close proximity of the proposed park.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peaceful on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 09:03 pm: Edit Post

OK every one if you need to speak with your MP about this sports park here is his email
minister@moa.gov.jm his no 1876-927-1731-45 you can email or call to voice your concern,he is a very nice person and willing to listen to our concerns. I think it would be better to email him but it's your choice, I will be sending him a email my self because we dont need a sports park in our community. one question I would like to ask if this land was bought for the community why did the government give breds the choice to by this land, wouldent we the people have the wright to say if we want to sell this land.I believed this land was bought under false pretend, that's my two sents.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BREDS on Monday, October 27, 2008 - 08:53 am: Edit Post

There will be a Breds community meeting discussing the Sports Park held on Wednesday October 29th at 5:00 pm at the Treasure Beach Church of God. All are invited.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bobo on Monday, October 27, 2008 - 12:37 pm: Edit Post

I think thsi should be a new thread - how many people are going to see this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By resident on Monday, October 27, 2008 - 12:21 pm: Edit Post

i would like to know who gave the authority for this road from school house lane to the sports park.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, October 27, 2008 - 11:49 am: Edit Post

I hope for the best outcome for the community.

I look forward to a report of the discussion being published for the benefit of those of us not able to attend.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Long-Winded on Monday, October 27, 2008 - 05:59 pm: Edit Post

Interesting. Somehow, I decided the Sports Park idea had died a natural death. How wrong I was.

My wife and I were in Treasure Beach about a month ago. I asked several people in the community about the Sports Park when having conversations with them; these are people I would call community leaders. I will not say their names because I think that is inappropriate. What I will say is each and every one of them told me they feel the Sports Park is a good idea, but it is inappropriate for Treasure Beach. I did not do a scientific poll, but the following are indicative of remarks that were said to me.

* The locals will need to pay for a membership but they are unaware of that. They do not have the money to pay.

* The roads leading to the Park area are inadequate, and proper right-of-way has not been obtained.

* The roads leading to TB and through TB are inadequate to handle the increased traffic from sporting events and concerts.

* Trash collection is already inadequate.

* There are already insufficient police in the area.

* The crowds that would be attracted to events at the Park are not the quiet type of people we see at Calabash who like poetry . These are likely to be rowdy, noisy party people.

* There is insufficient water leading to the property.

* Conversely, when it rains the area leading to the Park becomes flooded and muddy.

* They see the only people financially profiting from such a Park to be the hotels such as Sunset Resort, Jakes, and Treasure Beach Hotel.

* They feel BREDS is too busy to run the Park in a professional manner. They indicated such things as the antenna repeater still not being repaired and the ambulance being off the road for several months mean BREDS already has too much on its plate and does not put the needs of the community first, even when they have promised several things that have the ability to save lives.

* They have been told by several villa owners that if the Park is built, the owners will put their villas up for sale and leave Treasure Beach.

I wish I had planned our vacation for this month instead of last because I would very much like to be at that meeting. However, my guess is the meeting has little to do with people expressing opinions.

I stand by my feeling that the Sports Park will change the very CHARACTER of Treasure Beach. If there were a contribution fund to STOP it from being built, we would contribute.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Questions on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 07:48 am: Edit Post

Questions to BREDS: Is this Community Meeting anything at which those in attendance will be able to express thier views, or is this a meeting in which you will tell people what is going to happen? Will a report of what was said in the meeting be posted here?

Question for Anabelle Todd: Will you be there to take notes and post them on TB.net?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Still Saddened on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 09:07 am: Edit Post

Just like Very Long Winded, I thought (hoped) the Sports Complex was not going to be built. If nothing else, the economic situation all over the world would make it seem exceedingly difficult to raise funds.

I will be visiting in April. I will be bringing some books for Sandy Bank Primary. To me, children are our legacy. Educating them seems far more important than building a Complex that appears it will benefit very few and anger very many.

What a shame for this Complex to be built in beautiful Treasure Beach. It greatly saddens me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Associate on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

We are all open to share our different views and opinion. This meeting will be to inform the public of the plans for the Sports Park, and the impact its deemed to have. It will also be open to the views and concerns of the residents of Treasure Beach.

Long Winded, community persons will not have to pay to use the Park, and I believe everyone needs to get their facts correct before making assumptions - which ultimately is attending the meeting and getting their questions answered.

No one has taken the time to enquire why the ambulance is not working; the ambulance is out of service because it is in need of parts that is being serviced overseas. The antenna is working.

Please let us not forget that BREDS made these things possible, and they didn't have to and if they had no plans to follow through, they wouldn't. It is so easy to think of projects that are having problems at this time but not the projects that BREDS have been doing for years successfully.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Long-Winded on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

To Associate: I quote from the August 26, 2008 posting at the top of this string: "There are plans for a sliding scale membership for the Treasure Beach community based on income."

Three and a half weeks ago, I was told by several fishermen the antenna repeater was NOT working. If it was working at that time, they did not know so. I called one of these men a few minutes ago, and he said he still doesn't know it is working. This sounds unusual to me because the "people telegraph" system is about the fastest in Treasure Beach I have ever seen. Someone catches a big fish and everyone else seems to know before the boat hits the beach.

I have never said BREDS is a bad organization and did not mean for you to take my comments that way. On the other hand, I find it disturbing that BREDS or people speaking on their behalf always seem to defend themselves by saying something like "BREDS did such and such and they did not have to." So I guess my newest question is if BREDS is a non-profit organization working for the benefit of Treasure Beach and they have no problem taking donations, what do they feel they HAVE to do with these donations? Please understand I am not trying to be insulting, but I never heard of a non-profit organization that does not have a list of commitments they are willing to make public. This does not mean they can do everything on their list because they may not raise the necessary donations. But it means they have priorities and the things on the TOP of the list are considered the very most important.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 02:12 pm: Edit Post

The dialogue has started here, already.

Breds has chosen a time and place to present the current plans for The Sports Park. This place already provides space for dialogue. It is also on record.

Hopefully there will not be a monologue tonight in The Church of God. I hope it is the start of community dialogue and co-planning that will enhance life and expand opportunities for all in the area, without introducing any stressors.

My head of operations would have printed diagrams and prepared an outline of the current proposals first and distributed them in TB appropriately. I would allow a few weeks before announcing a community meeting to allow time to digest the proposals.

Everyone has different approaches and I have no wish to 'goat-mout' what will unfold.

I understand the situation with the ambulance and antenna, I see only good intent at play. The updating of the Breds website would give me more confidence in any claimed ability to manage a Park, sports oriented, nature centered or a combination. It is also the logical space to post any proposals.

Again, I wish friendly, laid back, lovely, healthy and restful to rule.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Again? on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 05:32 pm: Edit Post

I am usually a very positive person, but this topic distresses me. The Sports Complex/Park/Arena gives me very negative vibes. Let's get this over and done with so each of us who is a visitor can determine whether or not this development is one we feel we can live with or makes us want to find another little slice of Jamaica in which we feel we are in some form of paradise.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Long-Winded on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 07:14 am: Edit Post

Another thought has occured to me.

The land is leased from the Government. Thus, any improvements made to it will actually not belong to BREDS but to the owner of the property. It seems foolhardy to spend money to build a facility that actually does not belong to those who are paying for it. Things built on leased land actually DECREASE in value over time.

Has BREDS disclosed this to the various people and companies they are asking to contribute funds for this project?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:36 pm: Edit Post

I just found out today that the antenna has been working for about 1 1/2 weeks now. So thanks to BREDS and those who sponsored the cost of the repairs.

As for the ambulance, my understanding of this issue is parts have been ordered from overseas for the ambulance, however, they have not come yet. This is an older model vehicle and the parts are hard to locate. As an owner of several vehicles over the years, I know what a nightmare finding parts can be and that is for a regular vehicle, not a custom made ambulance.

Let us look at some of these challenges not as negatives, but as the challenges they are and if we all work together, we can come up with solutions. Everything takes time and money. Maybe if we had a bit more patience, offer positive suggestions, made donations of time, energy, money, whatever solutions would be quicker in coming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vexed Villa Owner on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 06:49 am: Edit Post

I know BREDS knows how to contact me because they had no problem sending me a request to donate money to the TBERU Ambulance Fund - and I did so without hesitation. I feel somewhat insulted they did not bother to contact me again when it came to anything whatsover about the Sports Park. As Turey said, it would have made sense to distribute written information about the Sports Park in Treasure Beach well before the meeting tonight. As Turey said, it would also have made sense to post the information on the BREDS website. I also feel it would have been appropriate to distribute such information to me and other villa owners who live in England and America. While the villa owners are only a small part of the population of Treasure Beach, we have a good proportion of the money we have saved for years invested in Treasure Beach, and we attempt to be good neighbors and active members of the community. We are apprehensive about the Sports Park because we feel it will diminish our investments by making Tresaure Beach a less desirable vacation destination, thus diminishing our rental income. Though I need to be here to vote next Tuesday, I would have taken the time to write something to be read at the meeting tonight. Other villa owners to whom I have spoken would have done the same including one who signed the letter to help raise funds for the TRERU Ambulance.

Many people who work in villas or at hotels or guest houses will not be able to attend a 5 p.m. meeting because that is the hour at which they are engaged preparing dinner for their guests.

I wonder for whom this meeting is actually intended. Is it for people who deal with guests who come to Treasure Beach? Is it for those who are artuculate enough and unafraid enough to express their opinions?

Turey, I sincely pray you are right about this meeting tonight being a dialogue and not a monologue.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sad on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 09:15 pm: Edit Post

I am another T.B. resident who is distressed at this plan. I agree with everything said by Long Winded but I have one thing to add. In the original post it is mentioned that this facility will compare to the Sports Facility at Nain. I went there today just to see what was what. There are two things that bother me:
The Nain facilty is in the bush - there are very few neighbors, except for the aluminium plant. There are few people to bother in Nain but the Treasure Beach plan in smack dab in the middle of a peaceful little community. The second difference is the road. When you leave Nain there are several directions to go - and wide roads. In Treasure Beach there is pretty much only one way in and out (I am not counting the Fort Charles road for obvious reasons). If there is a problem on the main road - there is no way to go. We all know what happens in TB during Calabash and on New Years Eve, in terms of traffic and we can live with it a couple of times a year, but it will change the whole feel of the place it is a regular occurence. This is just one problem of many with this project - let's hope people are thinking clearly when proceeding.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frenchman Girl on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:32 am: Edit Post

We need proper planning and consultation with everyone before this construction gets started. I think it's time Jason and Tufton get together with the Villa owners and the citizen of Treasure Beach and discusss this issue. Invite some Engineers and get some people that can really sit down and discusss this issue. This is a defining moment in Treasure Beach we will be faced with traffic chaos, pollution, garbage problems, incomplete building. I am land owner in that neighbourhood and has no desire to see this.

Is there a plan somewhere of this building? how many days per week garbage pickup? is there consultation with engineers on the roads. There are so many unanswered questions and so many concerns - you bring the people who has no opinion all they want to do is see a building and think not of the impact- some residents say the cost of their land will go up, pure nonsense in my opinion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sad 2 on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 01:05 pm: Edit Post

I am so sad about this Sports Park. Unless BREDS announces it is only a recreational center for local TB people, with perhaps parking for 25 cars, I see this as being so unfortunate for the community.

My biggest question is who is supposed to benefit from all this? The community members will not be seeing money in their pockets. Instead they will have horrible traffic and noise and trash and crime. To me, the decision to construct such a large complex and bring in outsiders for events disregards the lifestyle of most in the community to benefit very few. Those who stand to benefit most already have other excellent sources of income; they do not need to be selfish.

Live and let live. Have respect for your neighbor. Care about the members of the community. Be concerned about all the people who have invested so heavily in TB and the potential negative ramifications for them. Care about changing the very nature of Treasure Beach.

We are not Negril. We do not want to be Negril.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By What A Pity on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:03 pm: Edit Post

I would imagine the meeting is over by this hour, and I sincerely hope someone who takes good notes will be kind enough to report the proceedings to those of us who could not attend.

Frenchman Girl brings up an interesting point of people thinking the Sports Park will increase property values. The majority of tourists want to stay on the sea or very close to it, so land that's seaside would be most affected by positive changes. The problem is this is not a positive change. It will bring less tourists, not more. Less tourists mean lower prices for property. Right now, there are several villas for sale, and they are sitting unsold; they were for sale before the current worldwide economic crisis hit. Decrease the number of tourists, and more villas will be for sale at even lower prices.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By sandy on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:09 pm: Edit Post

wake up people the changees is good for treasure beach. am from tb and i say go for it. we cant lay our eggs in one basket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Belinda on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:08 am: Edit Post

Hey Sandy I am curious about the meaning of your comment because I do not necessarily understand it. I am thinking you mean that TOURISTS are the one basket you are talking about, and TB needs more than that. If I am correct in understanding your meaning please tell me how you think the Sports Park will help the people of TB; I am thinking of MOST ALL the people in TB, not only a few of them. I truly want to understand your viewpoint. Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:31 am: Edit Post

Some change is for the better Sandy.

Before accepting a new basket, it is wise to examine it for soundness.

If the basket vendor protests or dodges, then suspicion is a natural outcome.

Our eggs are the last of their kind, they deserve great care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Looking for a report on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 11:14 am: Edit Post

Is there a report of any sort from the meeting last evening whether official or unofficial? How many people attended? Was it a dialogue or monologue?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious Too on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:45 pm: Edit Post

Ah, I said it before, way back in this thread, and I'll say it again. If that sports arena is built, all lovers of TB that we know, including us, will kiss goodbye our restful, idyllic vacations in TB. A sports park the size of which is being suggested will be completely out of scale to the rural, peaceful, sane area we visitors love, and a drain on the region's precious resources. And, once the thing is built, there will no going back.

I'll ask this again, too: among the good folk of TB, are there no organizers who are willing to get people together to gather signatures in protest of this Great Big Thing? Power in numbers! All Power to the People!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Murnel E. on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:35 pm: Edit Post

I will put my 2 cents worth in about this subject and hope not to be criticized. I know change is good but, this kind of development do not seem too good an idea for our "Sleepy Little Village".
(SORRY)
Maybe an outpatient clinic seeing the ambulance is not working and help could be rendered quickly (if it is not a dier emergency.)
Forget about the ambulance part.I do think a clinic would be best.
Every community will need to have one at sometime.
I would think the home owners living near that park would be very upset because their peace and quiet will be forever gone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:52 pm: Edit Post

I have gone from being somewhat interested in this concept to regarding it with suspicion to becoming upset to being definitely angry.

A meeting is announced. With two days notice. At an inconvenient time. At a date when there are few tourists in TB, including people like me who are regular visitors and have a vested interest in this subject.

Presumably, people attend. The organizers do not have the professionalism to report on what transpired, even though (in my memory) this subject has received more attention on this site than any other, at least in the years I have been reading it.

I am not only angry. I am outraged at the lack of sensitivity that seems to be exhibited toward all those of us who care so deeply in Treasure Beach.

When I visit, I am always respectful. I would think those people who want me back as a visitor, those same people who organized this meeting, would respect me enough to take the time to report the proceedings in a timely and accurate fashion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hard a Hearing on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:57 pm: Edit Post

Would BONES and his organization(Treasure Beach Citizens Assoc.) have an input in this discussion.What is your take on this TBCA? or you are only able to take a position on bad roads or when politically expedient,your silence on this issue is deafening and we are waiting on you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Believe on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 06:57 am: Edit Post

I believe BREDS will not disrespect me, and they will post what happened at the Wednesday night meeting and they will do it today. I believe if they plan to understake such an ambitious project as the Sports Park they have the time and inclination to keep all those of us who care up to date. I believe they will show me the same respect I have shown them.

If I can not believe in that, how can I believe in the good of the Sports Park?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 09:26 am: Edit Post

Big thanks to Annabelle Todd for providing us with the following report on the meeting held on Wednesday night!

Meeting opened by Jason Henzell and he stated that a 49 year lease has been signed between BREDS and the government. He introduced Anthony Davis and Axel Wisterich. Anthony Davis is a Jamaican who has been living in England and who started a similar project in England. Axel, who owns Mar Blue is an architect, designed a sports park in Cologne, Germany, and a member of the Treasure Beach community will also be advising on the project.

Mr. Davis gave a slide show presentation on the Sports Park that he had developed in England and gave a brief history of how it came into being until its final completion, it’s aims and objectives, fund raising, maintenance, staffing and what is required to keep a park such as this in operating condition.

Axel presented a drawing of the concept and layout of the park which will include one large playing field and one smaller playing field to be used for both cricket and football. The smaller field will be ever play meaning it can be used more frequently for practices, etc. Also planned are two netball courts, two basketball courts, two tennis courts, a children’s play area, a walking trail, a track, and a quiet area for fishing/picnic area located around the pond.

The parking has changed from its initial plan of designating two acres in the north west corner. It will now be allocated along the periphery where trees will be planted to provide shade parking for up to 200 cars.

Also included in the plan is an amphitheatre type seating for up to 50 people; clubhouse to include an area large enough to accommodate up to 300 people, kitchen, bar, storage; four changing rooms including shower and bathrooms; outside bathrooms for players; public bathrooms; office space; live-in quarters for caretaker; registration area; and a storage area for lawn maintenance equipment.

Each separate area will have trees planted around it so when you are in one area, you will not see the other areas.

Money will be raised for this park through fund raising events and corporate sponsorships. Additional funds will be raised by renting out the facility for meetings, conferences, weddings, funerals, etc. The park will be built in stages.

Mrs Sheila Hamilton brought up the issue of the bottle neck on road from the ice factory and questioned what has been done to acquire the land needed to widen the road for two lane traffic. Jason said that the relevant land owners had been contacted and negotiations to purchase the land was in progress. Miss Sheila also addressed the youth in the audience and insisted that this project is really for them and as such she expected them to behave accordingly when using the facility.

Questions from the audience:

Will the facility be used at night and what type of lights and how many there would be?
Answer. There will not be lights in the initial stages but eventually will be implemented as it would make the facility more marketable. The lights however will not be stadium lights but subtle low lighting directed at certain areas. The rules and regulations for night time events will be strictly enforced. The discussion now is to close up and lock up the park at 10 p.m. with all events needing to conclude at that time. Renters will need to sign contracts where strict rules and regulations will be outlined. Anyone not adhering to these guidelines will not be allowed to return to the facility.

Will there be sleeping policemen to control traffic speed?
Answer: Yes.

A suggestion was made that there be team leaders who will be responsible for maintaining discipline for the various sports teams as it is well known that they can be rowdy after matches.

The issue of goats was brought up and it was stated that chain link fencing will eventually be put in and although unattractive can be hidden with various, trees, plants and vines.

A live in caretaker will be on property to maintain security.

Volunteers are an important part of the facility and members of the community will be required to put in volunteer hours to help maintain the park. Mr. Davis said that seventeen volunteers in England put in approximately 2 hours per week and it was adequate.

How much would teams have to pay to use the park?
Answer: The fee has not been decided on but it is unlikely that home teams from Treasure Beach will have to pay at all. It was also noted the local teams may not have access to the park all the time. If the park is rented out they will have to play/practice at one of the other grounds located in Treasure Beach.

Has any money been raised so far?
Answer: Active solicitation of donations and sponsors has not yet begun, however, some donations have been made.

There are plans to re-activate the well for water.

Miss Sheila gave the closing remarks and thanked the many young men in attendance for their turnout and support, to Jason for spearheading the project but cautioned people not to consider this Jason’s Park. She also thanked Axel and Anthony for their participation and contributions.

Interesting to note, members of the local football and cricket teams were present. This represented most of the audience. A very small turnout of approximately 10 members of the community who were not affiliated with sports teams were present.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:17 am: Edit Post

I attended the meeting held on Wednesday night and I will say that I was very encouraged to hear Mr. Davis' report and hear what they have done at Ten-em-bee Sports Development Center in Lewisham, England.

http://www.tenembee.org.uk/

The website is being worked on, but the few photos you see will show you this is not a gigantic stadium but a comminity-based sports park. It was obvious this was a very well run facility with the focus and core of its success in the volunteerism of the community and members. They have very strict guidelines, rules and regulations and if someone does not adhere to them, they are not allowed in to the facility. They have varied sporting programs for persons of all ages from 5 years old to adults. Some of the sporting programs are directly connected to education and training programs where it is mandatory for the players to attend these education classes which are held in the clubhouse. If they do not attend, they do not play. There are scholarship programs available, training programs for coaches, players, managers, etc.

I was further encouraged by seeing so many young men representing the local cricket and football teams show up for this meeting. In all my experiences of attending meetings of all kinds in this community, this was the first time seeing so many of our youth present and excited about a project.

In all the proposals made thus far for this project, my personal opinion (for whatever it is worth) is this is the right sized park and project for the area. Yes, the facility will need to be rented out as this will be one of the sources of income, however, contracts will need to be signed and strict rules and regulations adhered to and the size of the facility will limit the size of the groups. It was clearly stated all details and aspects of the park including what events the park can be rented out for were as yet undecided. However, the committee stated they were aware of the fact this park will be located in a residential area and they were sensitive to the community not wanting large, noisy events being held there.

This will be an ambitious undertaking to be sure, however, seeing the determination in the faces of our young men at the meeting and knowing the abilities of the committee members to make things happen, I believe it can be accomplished.

Worth noting, Mr. Davis stated the concept for this project was formed and work began on it in 1988. It took 20 years for them to get to where they are today. This will be a long term project with various stages pegged for completion one at a time. Again, I believe this is a positive thing as we can learn during the process adding new ideas, etc.

Also worth noting, I was very disappointed in the turn out for this meeting. As this is certainly a main topic of conversation for the community I counted less than 10 TB residents not connected with any sport teams present.

In conclusion, with the right management, strict enforcement of the rules and guidelines for both members and those renting out the facility, using Ten-em-bee as their example, and keeping the park and the events held there at an appropriate size for the area, I feel this sports park will be a benefit to the community. It will give our youth a constructive place to go, a project to participate in which they can be proud of, and a place for personal growth and development.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 03:28 pm: Edit Post

We have the civility and care for our community in TB that would enable a Tenenbee TB style. As with Breds, if the Tenembee website cannot be kept current, that to me could be a symptom of operative weakness.

If we are strong enough to deal with di rude bway dem dat come from outside; big up. Yes, I know there are still Gentlemen Ja style among our visitors, dryland and from farin.

Traffic, recycling, security, water, flooding, wild crocs and bad duppy are all other considerations. I will certainly have my eye on them and will speak up. Not to be pesky turey, just another voice. Maybe with an interesting twist on some things?

I accept it is time for the young, in some ways; some of us Greybeards and Grannies have much to give. Time will decide the fate of this project. Whatever happens, the ole time spirit that is at the root of things is in the memories and actions of many. I hope that this local wisdom is tapped as part of the considerations for this project.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By KP on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 02:28 pm: Edit Post

Rebecca, the very last sentence of your post says it all. I would much rather see the teens of TB doing something constructive and not hanging out at bars. I think this is a great thing for the community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Unaware on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 12:59 pm: Edit Post

I have just recently got interested in the Sports Park discussion but at no time is it mentioned where it is going to be. Mark you I am not saying it was never mentioned , but not since I have been following up. Can someone please say where?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Katie Loveday on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 07:51 pm: Edit Post

Hello A.Todd, Rebecca and to those that attended the meeting.
There were a couple of things mentioned in the first brief on this page to do with HART and leadership programs being included in the Sports Park;

(from first report) 'A 'HART' type educational training facility for education in the areas of tourism, hospitality, environmental issues, fishing and farming to name a few. and the development of leadership programs for youth from both Jamaican and overseas.'

Was just wondering if there was any mention in the meeting of these programs being developed?

I think that sport is a wonderful thing for a community and certainly know it played a huge part and positive distraction in my teenage years. I think if it could be combined with employment training and leadership programs it could be a winner for the community!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By aware on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 06:27 pm: Edit Post

For Unaware:
Just scroll all the way up to the top of this discussion to Annabelle's first post where she details the location.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 07:39 am: Edit Post

Hey Katie, the details of this was not discussed, but they do still have training programs in mind.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Vexed Villa Owner on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 10:08 am: Edit Post

I must say the reports from the meeting sound far more favorable than I expected.

I went to http://www.tenembee.org.uk/ and realized it is the identical site I saw over a year ago. It is still "under construction" and it still contains all the original misspellings and grammatical mistakes. I am aware one cannot judge a facility this way, but soemething smacks of unprofessionalism when the site looks and sounds like this after 20 years. Are the pictures of the actual facility or are they photos of other places inserted to make this place look real?

While I am somewhat relieved based upon the reports by Anabelle and Rebecca, I am still vexed at BREDS. They obviously knew someone was coming all the way from England to make a presentation yet they still chose to give the community only two day's notice. No wonder less than 10 people not connected with sports teams attended.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Unaware on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 03:14 pm: Edit Post

Thank you Aware