Can someone identify the owner/s of a 'million' goats that roam the streets and the TB Community everyday? Not only that but they bombard people's property and eat anything they like. How can owners be so heartless as to just leave their animals to the entire Community to raise. They are also a hindrance at times to the motoring public. What is the solution?

Drive SLOWLY...its been like that before you were born so just let it be. Cheers

You must be someone who is not from T'beach. This is how goat are raised down here and believe you me, whoever owns them knows exactly how many goats they have and where they are. True, they are a nuisance to people's property for sure but just tek one an' mek curry goat out of it.

FED UP, WORRIED ABOUT THE GOATS? THEN MAY BE YOU COULD HELP TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

that why we are a peaceful vacation destination-of the beaten track-with goats on the road,I like a car sticker- i stop for Goats-and they stop wild motorist,too

The goats are looking for greener grass, just let them be. Stop sweating and don't forget when you are in Treasure Beach it's all about real country life. So welcome and enjoy.Smile

Isn't it also illegal to have your animals roaming in public as well and becoming a public nuisance. Could the Web Hosts check it out and let us know?
Thanks.

Part of the Treasure Beach tradition is the Goats. Start changing the traditional ways of this fine Village and we will soon lose the unique qualities that Treasure Beach is famous for. Yes, Goats can be a nuisance, but each and every business partners that I have brought to Treasure Beach on Vacation, finds that as one of the most beautiful things to see. Like one writer on this thread pointed out, they are part of Treasure Beach, have always been and will always be. That is if we want to keep this fine area with the great reputation that it has.

My first trip to Treasure Beach was in 1994 and one of the things that made me fall in love with the area was the free roaming of goats and cattle on the road. Donkey ladies delivering fruits and veggies, hand made carts and horse drawn lorries shared the road with motor vehicles. It was part of the charm of visiting this wonderful island. Sadly, "progress" and legislation have had their impact and the charm is largely diminished. Why not just relax and enjoy what remains of generations-old traditions.

We love love love the goats of Treasure Beach. What would Treasure Beach be without the goats? Try talking with them. They are quite intelligent, and know the Mysteries of the Goat World. :-)

What does tradition recommend about goats invading private vegetable and flower gardens?

It's traditional now in most parts of Jamaica to drive with bright lights on and for trucks to blast their horns just cause they can etc.

It's traditional for man to breed up gal too in many quarters.

Traditional does not automatically condone.

The original goat tradition was to pen them.

Fed-Up i know what you talking about,i will try to put things a bit more clear.These goats that Fed-UP talking about ,belong to someone that dont have land for one goat ,but trying to raise a hundred .These are high bred goats that roam the streets,people property and jump four to five feet of fence.Do not blame the goats ,blame the owner.

In times gone by, say, pre 1970's, you did not see stray animals in Jamaica. Simple reason: any stray animal was immediately impounded by the local authority.

Strays were not tolerated for several valid reasons; a) destruction to property, b) the risk posed to pedigree animals through accidental crossbreeding and, c) the danger they posed on roads. Animal pounds are now a thing of the past.

TB does seem to have an infestation of stray goats. I guess there is a lack of feeding ground. Personally, I wouldn't want them any where near my property as they are quite capable of eating anything and everything. Goats may be "cute" to a visitor but to anyone who has had vegetables, flowers and bushes destroyed by stray goats they are the worst of vandals - like their irresponsible owners.

Another thing. They are the hardest four legged creatures to hit by car! Sure, they do get killed but you have to be very slick to get one.!

There was the infamous case of a guest house owner that took his guns to the goats.. right in front of the startled guests. He is still around 20 or so years later and so are the goats.

the ower for these goats dont have any land to raise these animals him just have them roaming the road and peoples property these goats or from the school to the plaza those are the goat that giving the problem i was born and live in treasure beach i am having problem to drive on the road too him lucky sey no goat thiefe nuh dey down here

Those who are condoning the free roaming of goats would not love to live in the district and have goats forcing their way into your yard. You can speak like that because you are just visiting and live abroad- but those who live here cannot speak like that. What is more important enjoying the goats roaming or penning them so they can stop eating off peoples plants? My point is if you want to pet them find the pens. The point is that the goats roam freely and are coming onto peoples property and eating down there flowers. They force their way through your fences at times. How would you love to have bad dogs roaming the streets, and cows, and horses, and elephants, bears, kangaroos (for those abroad) and crocodiles - the point is every living thing have their boundaries and goats should be raised within boundaries and not become a NUISANCE to the district. The owners are told on numerous occasions to pen them - where are their hearts?

I personally, am at my wits end about the goat problem.Having spent a lot of money to fence my land,now must put a padlock on the gate too, to keep out these destructive creatures.They are intelligent,and if they can go over ,through,or under a fence,they will.Want to know why the landscape looks the way it does?There are many native plant species that have been totally destroyed by goats.Does everyone know what happens to other people's dogs who become a nuisance to the public at large?Take a guess.

How would Mr Axel love for the goats to come over his place and mess it up, force their way through his fence and eat down his plants?

These goats have caused a lot of problems recently in the community. It has gone to a level where police gets invovled and enemies are made. If you do not have land to raise goats on, then plant Cassava...these goats has been a problem for too long. The next thing is people don't want to help with fencing their property. If your goat come into my yard and my dog eat your goat don't argue with me, just find a solution for the rest of them not to come back.

We all can get along!!! but if your animal cause me trouble I will/should get rid of it.Alvin James RIP"woman if you don't have land don't raise goat" TREASURE BEACH HAS CHANGED.

Those who think herds of goats are just cute and part of the quaintness of the area that does not need changed are not people living here.

In one hour these cute herds can destroy months of work put in for landscaping or worse yet, a family food vineyard.

It is as reckless for people who raise goats to not tie them or pen them as it is for people to have children and them turn them out in the streets to beg for food.

I hope all goat owners will get more responsible and visiters will learn to appreciate site of goats in pens and tied up.

I am not taking any position on the disagreement among cousins about their animals. My comments are about some of the postings that convey a lack of empathy for life(goat, dog). If you look at the broader picture, it is this same callous socio-pathetic feeling(or lack thereof of feelings)that accounts for the high murder rate in JA. There must exist legal remedies to those who feel they have been victimized in some way by these animal(go to court)don't poison or shoot innocent animals!!! which seems to occur widescale in TB. While you're shooting the goat , hope you don't recklessly claim a human victim. Let's use our higher brain before we act. That's the difference between us and the so-called lower animals. Although I have to wonder?!?!?!

mi only love goat in mi plate.

Good grief!

"visitor" where are you coming from? Where do you live? Goats, if left unattended, are vermin and will wreck any piece of cultivation. How about that when you are trying to feed a family or make a living? There is nothing at all romantic about stay goats. See them pon the roadside and you know destruction stares you in the face. Good for curry though.

Lets us be reminded God made the earth for the animals to enjoy.

Once and for all let us find out who these goat owners are and tell them kindly to keep their goats to themselves. Home owners have enough concerns and problems already like high bills, high food prices and others than to be looking out daily for goats to run them from your property. Could persons who are reading this forum (goats in particular) if you know who these owners are whether when you have your meetings or just merely passing their homes just ask them kindly for majority of the Community sake and peace sake to keep their animals in. They must have a heart - we don't live in a jungle where people can just let out their animals to roam as they like. PLEAAAAAAASE! We can't seem to know who the owners are - but I am sure someone knows - these goats usually are in the Primary School area and walk down the road to Old Wharf, Frenchman, Sandy Bank, on the beach, in the ponds and the owners are sitting at home without a care in the world. It is not fair!!

We humans have the power of self control, laughter and compassion and are driven by curiosity. The wonder is, H on TB, that more of us do not practice these arts.

I have heard that our pet animals gain confidence by associating with us...."look at the big human I have protecting me!".

I read a recent National Geographic Magazine on animal intelligence that opened up the possibilities of some animals having capacities for learning and communication most assumed were absent.

Our goats move from food to food with the ram doing his thing regardless. I admit that I can baaa and catch their attention (tell no one I told you :-) ) any other virtues are kept secret by the goatherd and the flock.

This issue seems to be a sore point in the community. I hope this forum helps in addressing it.

'Not everyone wearing a human body may be considered a human being' I know, remembering the times I lost it.

Goats Are cute and should be respected by us as they deserve to be here just as much as we do , however they should have a home!
It is Compleitly out of order that someone can get away with keeping animals with nowhere for them to go and not feed them of their land.That is wrong and very unfair on the residents.
Someone must know WHO owns the roaming group of goats in question and report them?
Could anyone provide these goats with land as a home which IS penned in? As either the owner of the goats would try to reclaim them and you could confront the owner or indeed keep them if they dont own up to owning them?
Im sure if they dissapeared someone would kick up a fuss as to where they are?

Just a suggestion :-)
I really feel for everyone having to put up with this, it IS really awfull.
I hope this issue can be resolved soon.

Let's have a huge party and curry up all these goats - even the ewes. It seems like free for all so let us help ourselves. Who wants to be the butcher - any volunteers? A beach party would be perfect - maybe Mr. Axel could curry them for us - all visitors will be invited.

"Looking in" I hope the goats come in your house if you live here - which I doubt. Don't forget that men were created to have dominion over all animals. Please don't take parts of the Bible to suit yourself - get the correct interpretation. Goats are to be raised in pens. If you live abroad - do you think you could have your goats roaming all over the place - even in other parts of Jamaica. It is because the TB people put up with too much - but not for long I hope

Really fed up, if you live there why don't you start a campaign on how to raise goats, get the names of the goat owners as they might not have access to the internet and tell them that they need to change the way they raise goats today as Treasure Beach is changing. My family lives there and planning ot kill all of them. Let's party, I think you are correct lets curry them, nuff people could use the meat.

ENOUGH ALREADY ABOUT GOATS, LET'S HAVE A BIG FEAST OF GOAT CURRY.

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I think it's sad when property owners shoot and cut the throats of goats for roaming their properties. I agree that goats should be penned, but sometimes they roam in search of food and freedom. Now-a-days poor people cannot afford the proper fencing to keep the animals penned and raising goats is a livelihood. Any suggestions?

If they don't have land, as TB goats oweners they should not raise goats?

I'm reminded of one of the good songs coming out of the seventies about ram goat liver-Pluto.
Seems like nobody side-line the goats anymore or put on what some people refer to as patok.

The tourist asked the goat. "am I smart and good looking"?

The goat replied, "Nah nah "...

I have this interview on video. It was me. I would never ask a goat another question again.

So you want to raise goats but you do not have a pen or sufficient land or the money to buy feed. So you get the kids, mark them as yours and let them wander where ever they want, ruining other people's property and causing vehicle accidents. So maybe you want to grow vegetables but you don't have the land or fertilizer or water. So why not buy seeds and go down the road to someone who has more land. Plant your seeds, use their water and maybe their fertilizer. Then come back and pick your vegetables and sell them. The only difference I see is tomatoes or melons or escallions don't cause vehicle accidents. Oh they don't make noise either.

We're going to close this thread as it's at the stage where there are no new points being made and it's generating more heat than light.

-TBNet