SPORTS COMPLEX TB

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grapevine on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 04:45 pm: Edit Post

I am seeking information on the sport complex in TB ,regaurding the road.which road will be use to access this property?.I would kindly a appreciate a answer from the person/persons involve in this project, or anyone that have some information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 01:31 pm: Edit Post

Yes, I would like to see current drawings of the project including access roads and projected parking and catering capacities.

I look forward to the creation of a facility that demonstrates ecologically sustainable development driven by sensible economics.

For a start if it does not collect, store and process it's own water, collect it's own electricity from the sun and recycle a high % of it's wastes it misses the possibiliy of being a hands on appropriate technology educational facility, a pattern for other projects as well as athletic arena.

With our heritage of precision and practical craftwork, I know something wonderful can manifest.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jah P on Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 09:36 pm: Edit Post

Grapevine, the project is on and there are several roads to access the property, but my understanding is that the road into Sandy Bank that turns left by maas PaPa is the most scenic and will be utilized and will be good exercise when walking.nuff respect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Grapevine on Sunday, May 11, 2008 - 10:36 pm: Edit Post

Thank you Jah P ,for that information .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DivaNickz on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 06:40 am: Edit Post

Hi Jah P
Do you know when the complex is due for completion and if / when works will be starting.
Many thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sports Park on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

The Treasure Beach Sports Park has broken ground and presently there are men, who have volunteered their time, clearing the land. The football field has been measured, and graded, placing of top soil and grass is to follow shortly.

There is currently a 3- 5 year completion on this project as it will be constructed from donations and fundraising events and will cost approximately 50 million to construct. At present 1.3 million dollars have been donated to this project.

When completed this Park will be home to a football field, cricket pitch, basketball/netball and volley ball courts, fitness centre, community centre, tennis courts and a children playground.

There will be three access roads to the park.

Hope this answers all your queries.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Resident on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 12:03 pm: Edit Post

At present they are using the School Lane to access the sports park,but this not a one of the legal road.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sports PArk on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 05:38 pm: Edit Post

The School lane is the main and legal entrance to the Sports Park.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DivaNickz on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:49 am: Edit Post

Wow, it sounds so great... I can't wait. A fitness centre is needed in the area, I just hope that the funds come rolling in. What are the forthcoming fundraising events and is finance the deciding factor in the completion time of the sports park.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Resident Two on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 12:25 pm: Edit Post

Resident, you are correct -school lane not the right road.The land thats now preparing for the sports complex oringinal own by the James.This property do have two roads,one from the main road ,turning in front the late of Doctor Senior home ,the next road enter from the road that gose into Sandy Bank,turning just a little west of Papa home.This property(sports complex) has two roads,because it use be two separate pices of land,combine by the late Alvin James.School Lane road gose to a new residential development,sublet by mr Kinkead.School Lane road now combine with the road that gose to the front development sublet by Mr Hursley(bowl).The combinaton of these roads still yet have to done by legal documents ,with agreement of all the residents that has the rights to these roads.There a meeting planning on this matter,so to everyone thats of concern ,please post a email add;.Has soon has i have some arrangement i post a email add;.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jah P on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 10:28 pm: Edit Post

There is no set date for completion as yet but hopefully it should be soon,we should give thanks to mr.Buchanan for his efforts in securing this property for our community and helping to get the funds to build this well needed facility...bigup also to Jayson for his efforts to the community,he will see this project through to completion.Nuff respect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JahT on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 10:36 am: Edit Post

Is there a planning committee or is this a private development? It is not clear if it is the people of TB, i.e Government, that will own this complex or if it is Mr. Buchanan and Jason.Can someone shed some light? If the complex is a private venture then how do the fundraisers and sources of funding apply to the people of TB? Whichever way it goes it should contribute positively to the community but let's hear exactly, up front,what the proposed parameters are for this development.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 07:56 am: Edit Post

Someone PLEASE tell me this development does not still have a car park planned for roughly 500 vehicles. That the venue will not be used for paying concerts. That the possibility of using it for international football games or for their practices is a rumour. That it is not being considered as a possible moneymaking enterprise. That the infrastructure such as roads and drainage is sufficient.

Exactly who owns it? Who will be responsible for security? For upkeep? For utilities? We need straight talk, straight answers. This should not be handled like a political campaign just to win votes.

With all my heart I want this to be a wonderful thing for the residents of Treasure Beach, all residents not a small minority. I fear the residents are being sweet talked into believing this will be a positive development and do not want to even consider the possibility there will be any adverse effects from it.

Look at the canal. Understand what can happen when something is not planned properly. This Sports Complex will probably not be an eyesore but it has the potential to bring misery to the community.

Nothing stays the same. Changes happen. Change can be good. But not all changes are good, and not all changes indicate progress in a positive direction.

PLEASE explain why I should not be apprehensive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doesn't Compute on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 05:58 am: Edit Post

If this is for people in Treasure Beach, why would they need a car park for 500 vehicles? I doubt there are 500 vehicles in all of Treasure Beach. Can't most people walk to the Sports Park? Or ride bicycles?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 09:51 am: Edit Post

I think the issue is that there have been so many different ideas floated that no one is sure what's really happening there. I personally saw plans for the big car park a few years ago, but have not heard anything about it lately.

To those who know, if there are finalized plans where can they been viewed?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DivaNickz on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 10:15 am: Edit Post

Felicity said what I believe most of us are thinking. For something that seems to have been planned and finalised, there is very little information for those not directly involved but who will be effected. I wonder who has the contract for works to be carried out and will this create jobs for those in the area. I am still baffled by where the money will be coming from, such a large undertaking cannot be met by fundraisers alone. It seems as if those connected to this project are keeping a very low profile and not being forthcoming with any information. I hate to put a dampner on things, but I am also very suspicious.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sports Park on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 12:28 pm: Edit Post

Let me try to answer your questions.

Mr. Buchanan bought the land under the previous administration for the development of the sports park. He however has not contributed to the development fund.

This property is owned by the Government, not Jason, however it is leased by BREDS to construct the Sports PArk.

Once completed the Park will have its compliment of staffs, including a manager, maintenance and security personnel.

The park will have to provide for itself in terms of maintenance which once completed is estimated to cost US$5000 per month. This will come from events held at the park ie football, cricket, tennis competitions etc. If not the upkeep will have to come from donors.

The Sports Park is for recreation for the youths t help them to hone their skills in the different sporting arena, and as such we expect that most persons will walk.

As it relates to the car park, we are making the necessary parking arrangements to accommodate vehicular traffic, as we should bear in mind that many persons prefer to drive even if they live next door.

Hope this helps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JahT on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 04:23 pm: Edit Post

So Breds will be constructing the park primarily to facilitate the youths of TB. So far so good. $5,000 US per month implies that the complex will support nuff activities. So there should also be adequate revenue. Thanks for the info.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 06:08 am: Edit Post

Thank you for answering so many questions, Sports Park. Realising much will depend upon funding, I presume there must be some sort of timetable in mind and would appreciate you sharing it with us. When might some facilities be available for residents, and what are the initial facilities expected to be? When might you start to charge for admission to events?

Additionally, exactly who is in charge of what is happening there? I am talking about a person, not an organisation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 03:50 pm: Edit Post

Well, Sports Park's outline of the plan for the big sports complex may or may not help. Who are you, Sports Park? On this, we would like credibility, and anonymity is suspect here.

In any case, by no stretch of the imagination (mine, anyway) does what seems to be in the works fit the scale of Treasure Beach. And you have to wonder: who stands to profit by such a scheme? Follow the money, always.

Let's say it again: the appeal of TB to those of us who love it and want to return again and again, is the fact that it isn't horrendously developed, paved over, home to throngs of sports "fans" etc.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Openmind on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 04:01 pm: Edit Post

Sports Park ,i wiil direct my questions at you.Why at this point a meeting not yet call?.Dose the governing body of this project knows what the reaction of the community will be?.In a previous forum of yours ,you stated that School Lane road the legal road for the sports complex,how dose come to be?,This must be by promission ,if so , by whom? ,and why the residents with legal rights to this road not notify?.Looking for a respond.Thanks in advances.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roadie on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 07:14 am: Edit Post

Will the "necessary parking arrangements to accommodate vehicular traffic" include necessary arrangements for the ROADS leading to the car park?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Missing Home on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 07:24 pm: Edit Post

Hi sport-park In my days walking would be greatest thing to do.We live longer and we were never obese,I hope this project come through for the people of TB thanks for the Info.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lawabide on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

This project may be for plan for helping the community,but this also can break it down-crime ,noise and the inconvenient of roads.I am really sorry for the residents that lives directly around this ground ,and for those returning residents that looking forward to a peacefull retirement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:37 am: Edit Post

Democracy via internet in action! Great.

Good use of a new tool.

I look forward to laps and maybe some soccer.

Meanwhile, I want to know where my food wrappers and wastes will go, and; will the priceless silence in my nature preserve and of my neighbours be shattered whenever the right rental fee brings in amplified entertainment.

Etc.

Our physical and emotional health, land values, attractiveness as a restfull, natural and creative area should all be considered when ground is broken and flora removed as part of recreating a space for human use.

I see no need for secrecy or anonymity here.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lee on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 12:05 pm: Edit Post

its is great that there are going to be a sports park in treasure beach. im sure that the people is looking forward to this. i dont see why there have to be this long going conversation as to who is building it and were the money is coming from. its being built and it will be a great thing to T.B so lets all just support it and stop with all the negative energy towards it. lets just pray that it will be built and everyone will enjoy it the rest does not matter much.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Defender on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 02:55 pm: Edit Post

I would like to say thanks to all the person involve in this great venture i can't say how great an idea this is for the people of Treasure Beach and the surrounding. I also notice that there is some negative vibe going on here in some of the comments. I can understand people wanting info, but please ask for information without putting in your negativities. Assumption do not get us anywhere. SPORT PARK: Please keep the information coming seems like you know alot about this great plan. Also i must agree with one of the comments about having a meeting with the public you now just to let them now more about the plans this in turn could probly strick more positive outlook and maybe there is way they could offer there help voluntaryly. So please people let us try and be patience because i notice some question being ask is too premature we all want answers but asking when will they start to charge for event. I also agree with Sport Park this size facility cannot run on its own and therefore paid events have tobe a way of mentaining the sport complex.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JahT on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 07:20 pm: Edit Post

Lee/Defender, If the information was forthcoming then there would not be any need for assumptions. Something that is supposed to be for the people of TB need not be clouded in secrecy. It would seem that the architects of this plan do not need any help, when one needs help then one put forth the plan so whomever like the plan can buy into it in one way or another. This is my final post, take care and good luck with your mystery complex.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By DENIZEN on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 07:24 pm: Edit Post

Folks, let's face some facts.
Treasure Beach has long been in need of a designated space for sports and recreation. In the early days when the housing/ commercial density was much lower, it was not difficult for the young people to play their games on any of the large tracts of pasture lands in the community. Most of the large property owners allowed us to use their lands for this purpose. We respected their property rights and did not interfere with their cattle or goats etc and did not leave the gates open for them to wander off the land. This was one of the great features of village life back then.
Times have changed, however, and the former owners of these properties have died and their successors in title have been sub-dividing the lands and selling them for other purposes, as is their right.
It is a very timely development, therefore, to have a parcel of land reserved specifically for sport/ recreation in the community.
Sure, it must be done in an appropriate manner and should not detract from the best traditions of the community. That's where the focus should be, rather than on pointless, negative harping.
Truth is, if forward thinkig persons did not take the initiative and approach the then MP to secure this parcel of land for the benefit of the community it would have been lost forever.
Now, let's forward to the proper development of the facility in a spirit of transparency and cooperation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sportsman on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 05:35 am: Edit Post

Lee, sorry to burst your bubble but the people of T/Beach has not yet decided whether or not they want a"sports Complex",we might just want a nice green well kept park that closes at sunset, but the residents will decide on this. Just remember that it belongs to us the citizens of the community and not any individual, so let's plan it right and let's enjoy our park, which will have a true reflection of what our community is now.."TRANQUILITY".See you soon jogging in the park...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 06:06 am: Edit Post

By questioning something, it does not mean that someone is being negative. Attempting to be informed is an intelligent thing to do. Sports Park is taking the time and energy to respond to a lot of questions; even if some people do not agree with all the answers, they have an opportunity to find out more about what is happening in Treasure Beach, their community.

The idea that one should not question from where the money is coming and to where it will be going is easy to do, but it is naive in my opinion. There IS a cost for EVERYTHING. Sometimes the cost is fair, and other times the cost is not worth what one gets. What did the Canal cost people in Treasure Beach? Lee, because you did not have to pay money for it, did that make the canal a good thing for the community? My mother once told me: There is no such thing as a free lunch. Think about it. There is a cost for everything, even if someone does not come up to you and ask you for money.

We want to know the answers before too much is done to build the Sports Park.

It is probably likely that many people could offer suggestions which would make this Park a more positive thing for everyone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:33 pm: Edit Post

The Park is for the community...yes?

Everyone in the community should have the opportunity to express themselves on this project.

It will be discussed on the varandahs and beyond anyway. There will probably be beneficial ideas from an encouraged and enabled feedback forum beyond this one.

The consensus here seems to be supportive of a Park, Sports or otherwise. Most want to be able to review the plans and be able to give their opinions.

Sportsman thanks for reminding us that a Park traditionally was a place of retreat to nature in and for Tranquility, with or without a brisk walk. The youth (and not so) need to kick soccer and have track and field facilities too.

Surely both possibilities can work together.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:35 pm: Edit Post

I hope a Health Clinic is next on the to do list.

Or am I behind times?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 07:24 pm: Edit Post

The Treasure Beach Women's Group is working with a group of doctors from the States right now for the second clinic to be held in July as the first one was in April. They have two examination rooms built into the Women's Group house just for this purpose. Search Health Clinic on this site to see further information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 04:44 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Rebecca.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bowl on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 12:19 pm: Edit Post

Congrats to all concerned and to everyones effort on the matter of the Sports Complex. Let me comment on School Lane alittle,School Lane was once 8ft untill I change it into 16ft. this deadend at George Aird's gate. One will have to get a road from Mr kinkaid whose land is between the deadend and the Sports Complex land.I sudlet lots to the people living in School Lane and others will be building. I think the Complex people should meet with the residence of the lane including myself who have lots in the lane.What are they prepared to do with our road.Our water lines, phone lines and power lines, some underground. These infrastructure were not originally constructed to meet this heavy vehicular traffic.To date no one has said anything to me.Thanks for your time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 06:06 am: Edit Post

This thread disappeared, perhaps for lack of interest, perhaps because the organizers of the TB Sports Complex decided it would be easier not to respond to queries. Could someone please tell me what actual progress in terms of construction or road clearing or similar has been made. Assuming the person who is kind enough to do do is not an official spokesperson for this facility, would you be willing to venture a guess as to what I might see by the time I get back to TB in January. Many thanks to anyone willing to provide additional information.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By An Idea on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 04:49 pm: Edit Post

Maybe someone has an email address for Sports Park. Is it the same as for Breds?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 11:59 am: Edit Post

Are there some questions that should not be asked about this project?

As someone whose investments in the area may be influenced by this project I find the silence that appears to be secrecy discouraging.

As nothing illegal or immoral seems to be in the works just let us know.

If all the money can do now is clear a football field and fence it, great...lets know. I'll kick ball with the boy dem.

I fled from some beach areas because of noisemakers and their following....just reasure me that nothing of this sort will happen in the Park or nearby.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sports Park on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 03:41 pm: Edit Post

As soon as everything is sorted, a meeting will be held with the residents and an official posting will be made to this site.

Thanks for your understanding.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 06:33 am: Edit Post

Sports Park, exactly who are you?

Sports Park, will things be sorted prior to the meeting with the residents, making that meeting more of an announcement? Or will that meeting be a true planning session in which you are willing to listen to all parties and revise what is in your mind or on your drawings, perhaps substantially?

Sports Park, does the input of the villa owners matter whatsoever? While they do not live there, their substantial investments could well be affected by what is being planned.

Who is sorting what?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 08:57 am: Edit Post

I am hoping that with this Sports complex coming soon that employment recruting will start. People will start getting training based on what we are proposing to build. Lets keep the jobs in Treasure Beach.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 11:14 am: Edit Post

I am wondering if the Webmaster found something objectionable in a post I sent in yesterday re: the sports arena. Did he? (I ask because I don't see my post here, but do see another one from yesterday.) Like most others who post from time to time on this board, I make every effort to do so in the required polite way. So I cannot imagine what I said in my rather long, carefully-thought-out post about the arena that might be objectionable in terms of accepted netiquette for this board. I would hate to think my CONTENT was found objectionable, since none of us wants to tamper with freedom of speech. Right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 01:47 pm: Edit Post

To Curious One, the inference to something in your post to being a Leviathan is what knixed it.

We can't tell you how often we've had some really good points made, but do to one word or statement pointing a finger or making it personal, we've had to delete the post.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 02:55 pm: Edit Post

Is not a Leviathan a whale?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 03:01 pm: Edit Post

When did things become unsorted?

I hope the planners realise that the community is on the side of appropriate development and sees the benefit of a Park. Thats how it seems to me.

Bring the project into the open and I'm sure the support will be there for a facility that serves the young and old and fits in with the reality of our peaceful and laid back community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 08:03 am: Edit Post

Leviathan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the biblical creature. For other uses, see Leviathan (disambiguation).

"Destruction of Leviathan". 1865 engraving by Gustave Doré.Leviathan (Hebrew: לִוְיָתָן, Standard Liwyatan Tiberian Liwyāṯān ; "Twisted; coiled") is a Biblical sea monster referred to in the Old Testament (Psalm 74:13-14; Job 41; Isaiah 27:1). The word leviathan has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. In the novel Moby-Dick it refers to great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply "whale".



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By want to know on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 08:43 am: Edit Post

Any thing served to the people of Treasure Beach or Jamaican on a hole, they will eat it,wake up people.On this website they dont like the truth,only what they want to here.I have posted several things here and I can assure everyone I didnot call names and they didnot post it, TB net know's what i write it speak for some of there friends.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 08:57 am: Edit Post

Dictionary: yes, a leviathan is a whale. A BIG THING.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 09:00 am: Edit Post

Turey: I hope your certainty that the planned project will "fit in with the reality of [your] peaceful and laid back community" is not overly-optimistic.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 12:21 am: Edit Post

Not certainty Curious One, hope.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ce Ce on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

If I recall one of the right entrance
leading to that property is the lane that passes Sheila's house. You would enter right by Miss Tilda's house. As children that's where we walked when going to school.
Please tell me I'm right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 07:00 am: Edit Post

Perhaps Curious One could re-post his or her message or messages and omit any references to Leviathan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

Dictionary: I put a lot of time into that message, choosing my words carefully. It is disheartening to be told my labored message was dismissed based on just one word. But I maintain that Leviathan was a perfectly good word choice.

However, I tried to do what you suggest: substituting the word "giant" or "behemoth" as a substitute. But my suggestion was not taken up, and I would guess my message has been destroyed. I don't think I could duplicate that message - and my heart would not be in it, nor do I have time to try to reconstruct it. Besides, I was not encouraged to do so, even using a word other than Leviathan.

But if this message is deemed fit to print, I'll just say that the gist of my carefully thought out message was that if Bowl and other landowners (whose land is where the big sports arena is to go) were to turn down any and all offers to sell their land the builders of the sports arena want to build the thing on, those bent on building it might not find it so easy to do. Organizing is a perfectly legitimate political action to take. It is always the people who bring about change, and very seldom governments.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken on Friday, June 06, 2008 - 02:08 am: Edit Post

Am I missing something...why is the word leviathan offensive?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Defender on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 05:20 pm: Edit Post

I do not get the any sense in this message, why was leviathan an offensive word; from my knowledge it means; A very large and powerful thing. Curious one the land the sport complex is being build on is not land being purchse from people in that area it is was own by one person and was perchase by Mr. Buchanan if you should go back and read previouly post message you will see. So there is now point in trying to suggest people around not selling land to the organizer of this very great and wonderful project. I am very anxious to see the great outcome of it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 08:21 am: Edit Post

Curious One, I am sorry your comments were not printed here. I can only assume the people running the Forum had legitimate reasons, as their decisions appear to be fair. You do present some evidence they may not have read your submission carefully enough. On the other hand, you may have inadvertantly phrased it so it would violate the rules they must enforce here. But I digress.

I am now confused about the land in question. It appears the actual land for the Sports Park has already been procured. What about gaining legal access to the Park land via a multiplicity of roads, presumably required both for traffic and safety issues? Has this been achieved?

Moreover, there has been discussion of late-night noise on this Forum. If the operators of the Sports Park plan to hold evening events there, will the many families living in close proximity be disturbed? Will the values of the land and properties adjacent to the park be diminished?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

It good dat Mr. Buchannan buy land for the poor people of the area to play on.We should support it for our own goods.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JahT on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:15 pm: Edit Post

This place "belongs" to us and there should not be any guessing as to what is going on there, let us all contact our representatives demanding answers to our questions, and I can assure you there are many. Like everything else we will get answers and perhaps some surprises but if you ask the questions you will get the answers my people. Call your councilman, your member of parliament and let them tell you they don't know.
Jah T


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:35 am: Edit Post

Did Mr Buchanan buy the land or did he organize purchase by the Government or other?

Whoever appears on the title as owner, co or other, has powers of decision that are qualified by the restrictive covenants, the law of the land, the voices of the community if they choose to be heard and any anonymous equity holders if there be any.

So, is this a private project, a Government owned project, a mixed public/private project, a community sponsored project or?

Again, are their any questions that are not to be asked?

Wayne, I cannot think of any poor people in the community. I can think of many that are poor in land size, being unable to have a sports park in their yards.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 10:44 am: Edit Post

Dictionary: I did post an answer to you question, saying i tried subsituting "giant" for "leviathan" but my message was not printed. I assume the webmaster has his good reasons.

I suggest you are only getting at the first of the questions needing to be asked.

As someone who lives in the states but who loves TB, I just think the people in TB might have trouble imagining the long-term, irreversible consequences such a huge sports arena might have on the community, since they haven't had to deal with such a thing before.

Do the people of TB have a clear picture of how big the arena will be? And does what they envision, based on what they are told the thing will be, seem to make sense for their community, for their landscape, for the burdens on their fragile infrastructure and their fragile ecosystem?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:57 pm: Edit Post

Turey I just never get what you are trying to say half the time... No disrespect but I just don't get it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:29 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for the reality check Canada.

Glad you understood one half. Let me know if I can clarify anything about the other.

I know a little about a lot and know a lot about little.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Blakie on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:39 pm: Edit Post

Turey, that's the one question that is so elementary yet it remains unanswered. Is the land owned by Mr. Buchanan or the government? If Mr. Buchanan owns it then it is a private matter about which the citizens of the area have very little say. Maybe we should pose the question to our esteemed MP(the current one). Dr. Tufton, does the government of the people of Jamaica own the said land on which the proposed complex is to be built? If so, to whom is leased and what are the terms of the lease?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 06:12 pm: Edit Post

Ah Blakie, simple question eh!

Let's wait and see how long it tek fi answer.

Some of us may seem to be chasing the Sports Park

facts hard. To me the possible negatives of

development are one thing.

If the perceptions of secrecy and evasion

have any reality, this is not the century nor the

community for this behaviour. This I think is

what is causing some discomfort.

I did say IF!




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 06:48 pm: Edit Post

Correction Blakie, "...questions.."..Plural.

I hope the answers are forthcoming so we can support a needed project.

Once I am offered a clear and clean projection my big mouth will be up de with encouragement.

It's just...those....shadows.. are they my doubts and my narrow mindedness?..maybe?

Come Sports Park...the forum is waiting!




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 05:07 pm: Edit Post

The land is, I believe, leased at no cost or at minimal cost to BREDS for a 25-year period. If I am wrong, I await correction and offer my apologies.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Just want to help on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 05:12 pm: Edit Post


I hope this help answer a few questions. let me try to answer your questions.

Mr. Buchanan bought the land under the previous administration for the development of the sports park. He however has not contributed to the development fund.

This property is owned by the Government, not Jason, however it is leased by BREDS to construct the Sports PArk.

Once completed the Park will have its compliment of staffs, including a manager, maintenance and security personnel.

The park will have to provide for itself in terms of maintenance which once completed is estimated to cost US$5000 per month. This will come from events held at the park ie football, cricket, tennis competitions etc. If not the upkeep will have to come from donors.

The Sports Park is for recreation for the youths t help them to hone their skills in the different sporting arena, and as such we expect that most persons will walk.

As it relates to the car park, we are making the necessary parking arrangements to accommodate vehicular traffic, as we should bear in mind that many persons prefer to drive even if they live next door.

Hope this helps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By I Am Laughing on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:13 pm: Edit Post

Irony: Driving to the Sports Park to participate in sports even if one lives next door.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bwaay on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 03:41 am: Edit Post

Park is linked with other parcel in T/Beach...will also help with events like Calabash.....good thinking by the promoters so uno keep down de chatter.seen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:00 am: Edit Post

To Curious One, in response to the following message:

Dictionary: I did post an answer to you question, saying i tried subsituting "giant" for "leviathan" but my message was not printed. I assume the webmaster has his good reasons.

We did not receive that posting. Sometimes it does get lost in cyberspace, or some other glitch. If possible, please resend.

Thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

Chatter is inarticulate or meaningless communication Bwaay.

What has been happening here is focussed dialog.

Is there any reason you ask for this dialog to stop? Or was that an order?

Tell us more about the adjoining parcel and how this project affects Calabash (Bay, Festival?).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 02:11 pm: Edit Post

Turey I think you are a great writer, maybe too great of a writer....lol


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 11:33 am: Edit Post

Thanks Canada, I got a 9 in my first try at english language in GCE. They probably would have given me a minus if that existed. I got those in latin.

Too great????

Have I oversteped any boundaries? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 07:39 pm: Edit Post

Turey, I think you are fascinating. You can be a bit cryptic at times, but you bring up excellent points ... especially when you are being direct.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 07:26 am: Edit Post

How will the funds for the construction be raised? From whom will donations be sought? Is the Government going to pay any amount of the costs involved? Is there any one person with a NAME who is willing to answer the questions being posed?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Killer on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 08:41 am: Edit Post

This is such an interesting thread and everyone is to be thanked for the questions and concerns. Sure wish you guys were around before we lost most of our rich soil (bauxite) to other people. AND I am very concerned about this mystery park coming into the neighborhood. It doesn't sound positive.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 08:18 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Dictionary my head swell all day. I'll remember to stop mumbling and be 'live and direct'.

Hope it is posi Killer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 03:33 pm: Edit Post

My instinct is the people of Treasure Beach, whether residents or owners of villas and other establishments, have little to any choice in this matter. My instinct is this is being "sold" as the Great Answer, not that anyone needs to buy it. My instinct is the decisions have already been made by The Nameless Unknown.

If I am wrong, could someone in charge please identify himself or herself with a name and a way to be contacted. Rumors start when people are forced to guess. Accurate information, not guesses, is the way to dispel rumors.

This string's contents consists almost totally of "I heard" and "I think" statements. That is because no one is stepping up to the plate, taking responsibility, and setting forth accurate facts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious One on Friday, June 13, 2008 - 08:18 am: Edit Post

Right on, Dictionary!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Wednesday, July 09, 2008 - 01:02 pm: Edit Post

I am SO glad this site is back up. I am sorry some of the posts were lost on this string because they were fascinating. I can recall a few that I would love to see once again. One had to do with a list of things that might be purchased for $50 million. (I believe the writer meant US but someone else thought it was J.) There was another post about changing the character of Treasure Beach. One more asked if someone in the community could bring this string to the attention of people at BREDS, particularly Jason Henzell, to give them an opportunity to respond by NAME and with an EMAIL ADDRESS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marlon on Friday, July 11, 2008 - 05:46 am: Edit Post

How could there be such a perceived lack of interest in this topic? The Sports Park has the ability to change TB more than would a gated community or any other such thing that might be built. I can recall readers getting infuriated about the possibility of a gated community, but that would NOT create noise or traffic or bring in a lot of possibly rowdy outsiders. Is everyone on vacation? What has happened to the voices of the community stakeholders? Do people not know the Forum is back up? Is nobody willing to state their opinions? Once this thing gets built I feel TB will never be the same. Change can be very good. But not all change represents positive progress.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marlon on Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 05:31 am: Edit Post

This hurts my spirit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By HB on Saturday, July 12, 2008 - 11:42 am: Edit Post

"Perceived lack of interest", Marlon?
I'd say quite a bit of interest has been shown in the topic. You might not like some of what's been said, but this must rank as one of the most discussed topics on the Forum.
There have been several threads on the issue over the last two years and I suspect this will not be the last.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Lara on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 07:08 am: Edit Post

Can someone tell me if the cost provided for the sports complex is 50 million in Jamaican dollars or in American dollars. In either case, how is it expected the money will be raised? Wlll members of the community be expected to pay for using it? Is the government contributing toward the construction and maintenance costs?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Melinda on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

I cannot imagine local children would be expected to pay for using this facility.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Blossom on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 08:56 pm: Edit Post

yu caan get evryting free, de chldren will hav to pay but not too much jus fi help w3id de up keep of de place.lara de mony is us dollar but mr. buchanan aready put up most a it, so is no problm it soon finish.God bless


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:00 pm: Edit Post

Thanks Blossom.

Thinking it over; were a US $50 million Sports Park supported by the Government and the Opposition to be built, my land value would increase regardless of other consequences (hopefully).....then maybe, if life spare and global instability cools I could then....but every company must have it's secrets.

Thing is, with photovoltaics/windpower/fuel cells, water catchment/desalination, soil, seed and plant knowhow one can now 'develop' anywhere...the noiseless, slow kind that calls for elbow grease and passion.

But: is the neighbourhood cool!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 12:38 pm: Edit Post

Thanks for your information Blossom.

Mr Henzel is to be congratulated for sending a representative who attempts to write patois.

I think this is a sterling example of the Community Tourism concept which he spearheads.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 03:35 pm: Edit Post

Has anyone brought these comments to the attention of Mr. Henzell to give him an opportunity to respond and address all the questions?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 11:03 am: Edit Post

It was $50 Million JA quoted, not US. There is a big difference.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 10:30 am: Edit Post

One assumes that Mr Henzel reads this forum Felicity; as it has, in my opinion, become an important medium of communication for TB runnings. As he has taken an admirable and important role in this community and has internet; if he was not reading here, he would be out of touch with an important part of the community.

Remember!.....Community Tourism.

http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/article/20040706103501917

I support the direction that Mr Henzel and Co are taking, as described in the article above.

In a democracy however everyone is allowed to have their say....... and the right to have reasonable questions answered. More so those within conch blow hearing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

Marlon, I hear you.

A hurt spirit is not a joke business.

How can we help to ease Marlons hurt?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

I understand Mr. Henzell has done wonderful things for community tourism, Turey. I agree he has done a lot of other fine things for Treasure Beach. I do not feel, based upon what I know, that the Sports Park will be part of his legacy about which Treasure Beach will boast. Please understand I am saying "based upon what I know." I still would like facts as opposed to a very bare outline provided by someone wearing rose-colored glasses. I would also like to know how all the stakeholders feel about this development, even if they do not get to determine if it will be built, what it will include, who will use it, and so forth. It concerns me that these items have not been addressed in this venue; to me, that indicates someone has something to conceal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NIGHTINGALE on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 01:53 pm: Edit Post

(ALL THE MONEY ) should be there before you go and break ground on such an immense project in such a small community in very uncertain times. I am not being negative, just realistic. ( you can't live on credit ).

TO THOSE IN CHARGE: IF YOU ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND HOW TO BE MODERN AND IMPLAMENT NEW AND VIABLE ENERGY SCORCES ( THE SUN ), ( WATER ), ( SOIL ) WELL YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND RETHINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHILE YOU STILL HAVE TIME.

QUESTION'S FOR YOU ALL IN T.B, HOW MANY TIMES IN A MONTH DO YOU GO WITH OUT ELECTRICITY AND WATER AND STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE DAY'S WITHOUT.

T.B AND SOROUNDING AREAS WILL HAVE TO FACE THE RESPONSABILITY OF UPKEEP OR JUST T.B.

DOES ANYBODY IN T.B KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
( BETTER FIND OUT NOW BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW )

LITTLE WHITE HEAD BOY FROM THE HILL.
ONE LOVE, NUFF RESPECTS, PEACE


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 10:52 am: Edit Post

Thanks Dictionary.

Well Jason I may have to channel Uncle Lionel to get his feedback!

Don't even ask.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By unbelievable on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 01:24 pm: Edit Post

I have only just read fully about this project and all I can say is wow-50 million dollar sports hall that will cost over 500usd a week to run?yet fishermen are risking their lives down to a cost of a radio battery and lifejacket?
Priorities need putting into place


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Long-Winded on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

I am happy you are back Rebecca. We have all missed the speed at which things had been getting up on the Forum.

Please excuse me for being so long-winded, but I have been doing a lot of thinking and feel I need to say all this.

I do not have a college degree in economics, so I definitely cannot be considered a financial expert. As an independent building contractor, I know a good deal about money. I guess you could say I went to The College of Hard Knocks because I have had a lot of on the job training. Some years that almost cost me my business. Many years it put a horrible strain on my family. My wife stuck by me through thick and thin and she worked by my side in the business almost all the time.

By my calculations, whether or not the 50 million required for construction is in Jamaican or American dollars, and I do think it is Jamaican, the operators of the Sports Park say they have raised 1.3 million; this is a scant 2.6% of the amount stated as necessary by their ANONYMOUS spokesperson. (I am disregarding the comment made by one contributor about a former MP putting up almost all the money because I believe that is a rumor.) I recall discussions here dating back perhaps 3 or 4 YEARS about this project, and they appear to still have to raise more than 97% of the required funds. Meanwhile, it appears as if others have been able to raise 100% of the money required to support 17 scholarship students, and there is no controversy about the need or use for THAT money. I conclude actions speak louder than words.

Yes Nightingale, 100% of the money should be secured before ground is broken. Look what has happened with the canal; that has provided an expensive and ugly lesson to all of us.

My wife and I used to visit Negril. We finally couldn’t stand the crowds, the higglers, the noise, the traffic. Then we heard about Treasure Beach and tried it. It was like we felt Negril was maybe 20 years before. We have come back almost every year. We have fallen in love with Treasure Beach and its people. We have been looking to buy land and put up a small home we could stay in for about half the year when we retire.

There are few regulations in Treasure Beach about what one can build. If you own a home, you could have a church or a bar or a guest house or a shop be built next to you. You could even end up with a breeder of vicious dogs or a pig farm as your next door neighbor. Whether or not this is something you would enjoy, or whether or not you think it is an attractive structure, is of no consequence. The Parish Council has to approve building plans, but this has nothing to do with the appropriateness of a structure. It has more to do with if what is built is an adequate distance from the road, if it has a sufficient septic system, and if it is being built in a manner that will supposedly withstand a hurricane. From what I have heard, many people do not even bother to get their building plans approved.

I am not saying this is a good thing, and I have sympathy for those landowners who have something built next door to them they find distressing. But this is life. Treasure Beach is not Los Angeles or Boston. It is not a planned, gated community where there are so many rules. That is one of its many, many charms. If we buy land that is one of the risks we will have to take.

When a structure such as a Sports Park has the ability to change the very CHARACTER of an ENTIRE TOWN, this is something very different.

It is particularly unfortunate that ALL the stakeholders in Treasure Beach, whether they be homeowners, restaurant owners, owners of guest houses or villas have not been consulted about what they feel might be in the best interests of the community as a whole. Elsewhere in the many postings that have appeared here, some tourists have implied they may not return to Treasure Beach if the Sports Park becomes a reality. I have also heard some people say they will put their guesthouses and villas up for sale if the Sports Park is built. Assuming that is true, every single stakeholder in Treasure Beach will suffer. This includes all those who are wholeheartedly in favor of the Sports Park as well as those who are neutral and those who are bitterly opposed to it. Without the special type of tourists who appreciate the laid-back, decent, QUIET atmosphere of Treasure Beach, nearly everyone will be hurt.

To me, that is a horrible and unfair burden placed upon the stakeholders of the community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

Maybe the principals have a wonderful surprise in store.

Maybe the Gates Foundation has given them a bligh.

Maybe it's politricks.

Maybe it's a landing base for the Greys.

Maybe there are too many cooks.

Maybe it's for the 2040 Olympics.

'Maybe' is the problem!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 03:17 pm: Edit Post

BRAVO !!!! Thanks to Nightingale, Unbelievable and Very Long-Winded for your insightful comments. We are finally getting somewhere.

Yes, priorities must be established. We have fishermen lost at sea and drowning. We have undiagnosed and serious diseases among young and old alike. We have children being under-educated because their families cannot even afford to send them to school. We have schools with no functioning computers. We have adults who are intelligent but are illiterate. To me, all those things take priority over a Sports Park, especially when the repurcussions of that are unknown.

Now I am waiting to hear something official from BREDS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Please ... on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 09:27 am: Edit Post

Do all of you who seem to strenuously object to the Sports Park really think that if it is not built that Breds will use the money for making the fishing boats safer, school children, a health clinic or something else YOU deem as a priority? It is THEIR money and their land, and they can do exactly what they wish with it. Grow up people. Please ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 09:43 am: Edit Post

Thanks V L-W, you got to the heart of the matter.

I look forward to you and your wife joining the community.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By IFIWASINCHARGE on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 09:09 am: Edit Post

I would spend that money on a mediCAL centre,library and educational facility with computer lessons ,reading lessons,writing lessons,these could be held as after -school clubs and also as adults groups .
I would spend the money on paying a teacher or set up a volunteer group to run the different lessons.Part of it would be for community events, arts classes pottery making crafts arts,literacy eveings poetry classes,singing lessons music making,childrens parties,elderly luncheons,the grounds would be made in to a lovely relaxing place to sit, walk,read play with grandchildren etc,perhaps a playground to one side.one room would be used specifically for meetings for instance volunteer group meetings,fishermen meetings..anything that needed a meeting.A place where one could discuss their concerns and put them in writing.You could have a little widlife part maybe even a small farm that the children could enjoy.Who thought of spending such a ridiculous amount of money on a sports facility?a sports facility is a great idea but not when there are too many other important priorities that need sorting out first,what exactly was this facility going to have inside it?I see the area already holds fishing competitions ,football competitions and races.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Have Faith on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 11:58 am: Edit Post

If you all see these problems in TB, why don't you do something constructive to help. I personally do not see how the Sports Park will be negative for Treasure Beach. Have you ever looked at how many idle men, boy, women and girl are on the street, well this park would be opened for them to use, maybe learn a sport or attend the community centre to learn something.

I think this Sports Park will also increase visitor arrivals, so its really sad that constructing the Park for the community will result in selling of guest houses, hotels etc.

Many of you speak of noise and the fact that the Sports Park will cause disturbances, but there are rules and guidelines that will have to be followed and abided.

Why can't everyone wait for an official announcement before "jumping the gun", because reality is if its going to be, it will and all your mutterings won't change that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By PLEEEASE on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 10:45 am: Edit Post

Please,
if it is THEIR money and THEIR land and THEY can do as they wish with it why are you even bothering to discuss it?(excuse me-telling people to grow up.)
The fact of the matter is everybody is in the dark over the plans and people are allowed to have and air their opinion without people being condescending and telling them to grow up.

The fact they are involved in a dicussion over such a big controversial issue in the community alone says they are infact grown and are able to communicate their feelings.
Everyone has a right to their OWN opinion whether it is the same as yours as not...HUH PLEEEASE


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Low Man on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 11:52 am: Edit Post

I live in Treasure Beach but have lived in several places in Jamaica prior to this. I can tell you that the water problem here is worse than anywhere I have seen. Residents know but tourists to do - this ugly little secret is kept from them. They have no idea what the staff that waits on them goes through to appear and shiny clean to them. I agree with the person who said we need to prioritize matters. Water, literacy, crime (and yes there is plenty in TB) all need to be addressed first. Can BREDS go ahead and do this without conversing with communiyt members? I bet they can.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 10:43 am: Edit Post

Me too IFIWASINCHARGE, but a fi dem duns.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:54 pm: Edit Post

Have Faith, I have no faith in the ways of corporate captialism, the ability of the community to monitor and quell noise etc or that jobs for the people is a reality.

Feelings have been expressed honestly and politely here.

I think you owe an appology to this forum for refering to these proceedings as 'mutterings'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Please on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 05:01 pm: Edit Post

I apologize. I did not mean to sound the way I did. I meant that I did not think the community was able to make a decision on what was done by a private group on private land. I am sorry what I wrote sounded other wise.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 10:21 am: Edit Post

Again. In my opinion.

The major objection is NOT to the building of a Sports Park.

The objection is the lack of community involvment and the secrecy that seems to be in play to keep the community from participating.

There may be objections to SOME components of the plan, why hide from community feedback?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 10:13 am: Edit Post

And Please...I man done grow long time!

However, my curiosity and amazement continue to expand.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:56 pm: Edit Post

Hey Chris, time for the PR crew...ASAP!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ?????? on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 08:53 am: Edit Post

The noise rules and guidelines that have to be followed often are not followed. There have been several people who have expressed legitimate complaints in prior postings. I have heard very late night noise coming from many establishments and I would doubt they have bothered to get the proper permits. I would guess they have friends in higher places who manage to overlook the disturbance created for those who wish to relax or sleep, including both residents and tourists.

For lack of a better word I consider the roads in and near Treasure Beach to be quaint. They can hardly hold the present traffic. Every one knows there are always potholes and washouts. We have learned to live with them but they still cause heavy damage to vehicles. It would be hard to imagine how they could handle even more traffic.

Have Faith, why do you believe a Sports Park would increase visitor arrivals? Our visitors come for peace and quiet, to swim and snorkel, to go fishing, to walk the beaches, to go to places like Pelican Bar they do not have where they live. I am confused by your logic.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 10:16 am: Edit Post

Jason.

Uncle Lionel inspired the following:

Water is the new gold.

Soil our only capital.

Our degree of understanding our equity.

The Moonrakers are looking on with interest!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 12:58 pm: Edit Post

Yes Please, title to the land gives the holders certain rights.

The land, being within the community, gives the community certain rights, if we choose to excercise them.

The power of $ is in the hands of the holders.

How it is used is dependent on their intent and wisdom.

It takes guts to apologise Please!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By live here on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 04:11 pm: Edit Post

For ???????
Jamaicans will come from around the island for the inevitable major sporting events, concerts, festivals and other events which would be necessary to help pay for the upkeep of the facilities, and those people might(or might not)stay at a local guest house or eat at a restaurant, probably Jack Sprat. You're right that residents will have to put up with a whole lot of noise, garbage, traffic, security issues and strain on the infrastructure if this does come to pass. Alas, despite our concerns and unanswered questions the sports park is moving full steam ahead.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Please on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

Turey, I apologized because I realized what I had written had been misinterpreted, perhaps because I did not write with enough care. So I will attempt to express my feelings with more clarity.

The more comments I am reading from others, the more I am realizing how much opposition is being voiced to the proposed Sports Park. Each new person mentions the possibility of some other factor such as lack of water or increased traffic or loud noise. The funding issue has not been answered either.

I am at a loss to understand why Breds does not put all these questions to rest. We may not like some of the answers, but we would have answers.

I am also feeling slightly disrespectful saying things about an organization I know has done good things for the community. At the same time, I am feeling many of US are being disrespected for not having received any answers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

It may be a good idea if we all take a deep breath and be careful about making assumptions here. TBNet has contacted a member of BREDS and asked them to please post what the actual plans for the Sports Park is - and what it is not.

It may be wise to reserve judgement and hold back on accusations until we hear facts.

-TBNet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 11:12 am: Edit Post

Could someone post a map with the proposed location of the Sports Park?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ??????? on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 10:13 am: Edit Post

Live Here, unfortunately you are saying what many of us fear. However, at least you are saying something, and I thank you for that. Would you be kind enough to tell us what you mean by "full speed ahead"? Exactly what has happened so far, and how quickly do you see more happening? Who is paying for what is happening? Also I am not expecting you to speak for the community, but do you have a feeling about how others who live there will regard the increased traffic, noise, garbage, security issues and strain on the infrastructure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ?????? on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 03:59 pm: Edit Post

Thank you for contacting BREDS, TB.net. I am greatly looking forward to hearing the facts from them. I do not understand why this has not be done prior to this, but I am not going to stand in judgement until I hear what they have to say. You are correct in that many of us are making judgements based upon what we have heard or what someone unofficial has said. It would also be good to see some drawings of what is being built. About 2 years ago someone said they were posted in the BREDS office, but it would be impossible to see that from where I am sitting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Blossom on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:06 pm: Edit Post

Oops...it a go nice,will be big surprize,but hole down de pressure before it get cancel a then nobody have eny ting fi talk bout for the next year or so.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RL on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 05:15 pm: Edit Post

I have taken a deep breath as advised and trust I will not have to hold it for days on end. I am fairly athletic but not an Olympian.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 04:36 pm: Edit Post

Thanks, TBNet, the thread here has been short on accusations but full of questions.

This issue has also brought different perspectives to the surface for examination, this can only be of benefit in the long run.

Again, I welcome such a development near me, if the long term effects seem in synch with TB's character and needs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Elise on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 08:29 am: Edit Post

I agree with Turey about the few accusations and many questions. I understand the purpose of this site is to discuss positive things, and there are very many positive things about Treasure Beach to discuss. Is it not acceptable to discuss items that might be controversial such as the Sports Park or items that are sad such as the fishermen being lost at sea? I personally do not see that Breds has had bad things said about it except if one chooses to read their lack of responses or their belated responses as negative. What am I not understanding? What rules are being broken?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By 1 cent worth on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 09:16 am: Edit Post

By the way it's not their money. It was money that was donated to Breds. That does not allow them to do as they please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Non-Profit Employee on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 11:39 am: Edit Post

1 cent worth, when donations come in to a charity, it IS their to do with as they please. Presumably, they have a Board of Directors who votes on how their funds are spent. If one or more Board members do not agree, they are free to quit the Board. I am not saying they can take 100% of the money to buy themselves houses or cars; they are certainly not supposed to steal any of the funds. I do not believe this could possibly be happening with BREDS. I assume their books are in good order and they keep written minutes of all proceedings that are open for people to see. But, I am sorry to inform you the funds ARE theirs to do what they see fit. I would hope the vast majority of OUR donors agree with what we are doing. If they do not, they will not donate in the future.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RL on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 03:07 pm: Edit Post

It's getting hard to keep holding my breath. Lung power isn't what it used to be.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Elise on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 08:29 am: Edit Post

TB.net, do you know when we might expect the statement from Breds? I know you are not in charge of them but I am asking for your best guess.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 09:50 am: Edit Post

This topic is getting more and more curious. What is the delay in providing some official facts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

PLEASE tell me someone is going to give us some answers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RL on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 12:45 am: Edit Post

I give up. Can hold breath no longer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By HOME SICK on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 09:08 am: Edit Post

It will be built in phases thus the 3 to 5 year completion and that also gives time to raise all the money needed and there's talk of a steel manufacturer that is very big in J.A taking it over and giving it their name and I think its after it has been built but don't quote me on that one.
PLEASE PLEASE, WATCH WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING, EVEN THE MOST HONEST OF PEOPLE ARE TEMPTED TO STEAL WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A LARGE SUM OF MONEY AT YOUR FINGER TIPS. THIS HAPPENS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
SAFETY NETS HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE, THAT IF THE MONEY IS NOT SPENT ON THIS COMPLEX IT WILL BE PUT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND NOT INTO THE HANDS OF DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE THAT SIT ON THE BOARDS OR COMMITTEES.
( WATCH OUT)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 08:15 am: Edit Post

What a tactic; keep em waiting, build anticipation and...

I am hopeful of #1 (see previous post re: Maybe the principals have a wonderful surprise in store.

Did I tell you what I've discovered about the engineering of expectation and social ecology...

Not in this case hopefully, I see no engineering just a bit of dislocation.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 09:52 am: Edit Post

Can someone else from the non-profit world, preferably someone who is willing to state their name, tell us if what Non-Profit Employee says above is correct.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Please on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 08:10 am: Edit Post

On SUNDAY, TB.net posted the following:

"It may be a good idea if we all take a deep breath and be careful about making assumptions here. TBNet has contacted a member of BREDS and asked them to please post what the actual plans for the Sports Park is - and what it is not.

It may be wise to reserve judgement and hold back on accusations until we hear facts."

Today is WEDNESDAY. My conclusion is the facts are readily available to BREDS. Therefore, there must be a reason why they are not be shared with the many who have expressed so much interest, some favorable and some not. Having the facts would allow us to dispell rumors, not make accusations and cease making judgements.

I believe most of the posts have been quite mannerly, though I do not know if TB.net has chosen not to publish some that were submitted because they did not fall within their stated guideline.

I would like to see us move beyond this stage and be able to work together.

BREDS, please provide facts. And, please be prepared to ask some queries that might subsequently be posed. Please.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 07:57 am: Edit Post

Hey Elise, the BREDS office is closed today due to the holiday. Fingers crossed, maybe tomorrow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 03:50 am: Edit Post

Just returned from holiday. Find this string halfway between amusing and alarming. Shall wait for those of you across the pond to awaken and then see what follows.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LOL on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 05:54 pm: Edit Post

Sounds like delay tactics...anyone ever heard of the canal???????????????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Elise on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 06:32 pm: Edit Post

Maybe soon come. Maybe not.

I wasn't expecting a 10-page essay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Karen Kennedy on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 04:04 pm: Edit Post

With respect to the question asked by “????,” I would imagine the vast majority of non-profits do pay salaries (and rent and many other expenses). Yes, this is considered quite normal. What is wrong, however, is that many non-profits spend too great a percentage of donations they receive on unnecessary expenses. This includes overly high salaries, fancy offices, automobiles, entertainment, and numerous other things. This is not illegal; however, it could be considered immoral. Also, a lot of non-profits seem to have sloppy accounting practices.

Many donors are now checking to see what percentage of their donation actually ends up being used for the purposes they had intended. And because many donors are shocked when they see these figures (even with some of the “big name” non-profits), they choose to divert their hard-earned money to a different charity. I doubt there is one person reading this who can afford to give to all the non-profits that approach them; so, people are learning to investigate more—and to make their donations based upon hard facts.

Treasure Beach Foundation is a 501 (c) (3) non-profit, registered in the U.S. We adhere to all Internal Revenue Service regulations (too numerous and way too boring to list). However, we are in good standing with the IRS and are on their list of approved charities. Likewise, we can be found in the Guidestar listing. (If you are giving to a charity that is supposedly “approved” in the U.S. and it is not listed in both places, I would suggest you exercise special caution.)

We are particularly fortunate in that we pay no rent; we pay no salaries; and most vendors either do things for us at no cost or at special discounted rates. This has resulted in us being able to use more than 90% of what we raise directly for the good of Treasure Beach residents.

We are not required to make our accounting records public; however, this discussion has made me think that would be a good thing to do. Though it will take some time to achieve (because she is on vacation—and is a volunteer), I will be certain that our accounting person posts our financial records on Guidestar.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Elise on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 04:36 pm: Edit Post

Is today a holiday also?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rebecca on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 06:46 pm: Edit Post

The BREDS email address is info@BREDS.org if you would like to contact them directly.

We understand a reply will be coming from BREDS soon.

Folks are on vacation (I know I enjoyed mine!)therefore the delay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Janus on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 06:47 pm: Edit Post

Life is a beach, tomorrow a dream


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:29 am: Edit Post

Aye Janus clean beach clear dreams.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Elise on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 02:46 pm: Edit Post

If people get bored enough about reading about nothing, maybe this string will disappear.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RL on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 05:34 pm: Edit Post

I ran out of breath but I am intent upon keeping this string alive until Breds decides we are sufficiently worthy of learning the plans for the Sports Complex. I do not usually use the word disrespected in my vocabulary, but I now think I know what it means and how it feels. To me, this is disrespectful. Yes, someone can be on vacation; no, I doubt the entire organization is on vacation. No, I do not know that. Yes, I am guessing. That's what happens when people are not given the facts. Guessing. Wondering. Worrying. Tell us the facts. Give us a contact for further enquiries. That is not asking too much. Even from a guy who can't hold his breath long enough.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Still Waiting on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 06:12 am: Edit Post

I will also help keep it alive - in a very respectful manner. It only takes one of us every 24 hours. This vital subject certainly warrants my time though others appear to believe it doesn't warrant theirs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Still Waiting on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 06:16 am: Edit Post

It's Sunday. Tomorrow begins a bright new week. Hopefully with many facts upon the horizon.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Perplexed on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 05:23 pm: Edit Post

In my ever-so-humble opinion, I would NOT hold my breath waiting for someone to respond to a forum thread. If you want answers to whatever your burning questions are, call them yourself.

http://www.breds.org/
The number and email address is at the bottom of the page. Eh, never mind. That might exhaust ya'll. Here it is.

Copy & pasted from their website.

"Contact us at info@breds.org or 876-965-3000"

...exhale


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RL on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 04:57 pm: Edit Post

I forgot Saturday is on the weekend. Very sorry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 02:33 pm: Edit Post

I have not detected any burning re the questions

Perplexed, smouldering may better describe some

posts.

I also do not detect any lack of vitality

(re: " That might exhaust y'all").

I have witnessed questions and requests posted here answered via word of mouth and back to cyberspace. Some of mine have. Thus those in the community without internet may easily be communicated to from here.
This is a valid community posting point.

As I do not know of a more efficient and impartial mode of communication for the TB community, my assumption is that BREDS would address these questions here.

Has anyone emailed BREDS on this topic and got a reply?

Silence is usually Golden but.....

It HAS to be a great surprise!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Beach Gal from CA on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 03:59 pm: Edit Post

I have never considered using the word disrespected prior to this. It is now quite appropriate as this is exactly how I feel.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 09:13 am: Edit Post

Perplexed, if I wanted information only for myself, I would figure some way to obtain it, though I do not exactly know what it might be. This is information that is apparently wanted by MANY persons. I also think if I obtained the information and posted it here, it would be subject to being called innacurate because it is not coming directly from the source.

The phone number you provide is Jakes front desk. Those people do not represent BREDS; they take reservations and assist the guests at Jakes. If one calls down to the BREDS office in the Plaza. one will not find a person who is in charge at BREDS or one who can answer in depth questions about the Sports Complex.

With respect, I ask if you have an alternate suggestion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peaceful on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 04:54 pm: Edit Post

I think we should have a peaceful protest until some one answer all our question's,and I mean a peaceful protest. This should put before the people of Treasure Beach to see if they would like a sport.s park in our community.This is not about one set of people, it seem's that way to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

Interesting spin.

"We want to know first!" becomes: "We don't want!".

I cannot remember anyone protesting to the development, only the lack of communication that has now been perceived as a dis.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:41 pm: Edit Post

I agree peaceful, if we should ask the fishermen

how best the greater community can participate

in their venture, surely us landlubbers have

similar rights when it seems a wave of change may

reach the community. Ask beforehand please.

I have been caught in the middle of peaceful

protests that are hijacked by some with other

than peaceful agendas. I thus would lean more

towards letting the truth shine here or any

suitable publishing space over any other means.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Perplexed on Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 08:31 pm: Edit Post

The number I provided was one that was copied and pasted from Breds website. I didn't call it to verify the the number. I GET that 'everyone wants answers' but really, waiting around for someone to come to an internet forum seems counter productive. So again, I'll provide yet more information I have obtained from Breds website.

Director, Tanya Parchment
Breds - The Treasure Beach Foundation
Calabash Bay P.A.
St. Elizabeth, Jamaica
info@breds.org
(876) 965 3000 - ph / (876) 965 0552 - fax


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Raven on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 09:40 am: Edit Post

This is rather pathetic, is it not? People desire information, ask for it politely and are ignored.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By CuriousToo on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 10:35 am: Edit Post

Turey -

I'm surprised you say:
"I cannot remember anyone protesting to the development."

Seems we have heard, on this board, from people who visit TB that they would not vacation there again, if the arena is built.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 04:58 pm: Edit Post

We have the Breds contact information from their website. What we don't have is information about the Sports Complex or Arena or whatever it is FROM Breds. TB.net contacted Breds on Sunday, August 3. We were told by TB.net:

"It may be a good idea if we all take a deep breath and be careful about making assumptions here. TBNet has contacted a member of BREDS and asked them to please post what the actual plans for the Sports Park is - and what it is not."

It is now 8 days since TB.net did this, and Breds has not YET posted anything. I am ASSUMING but could be absolutely wrong Breds knew of the existence of this string before TB.net contacted them. I do not believe if I wrote directly to info@breds.org I would get any faster answers than ALL of us are getting on this Forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 12:26 pm: Edit Post

Curious Too, my understanding is that what is giving rise to doubts is the perceived scale of the undertaking. Publication of the development will clarify this.

I believe if the scale and environmental/social load is within bearable limits a Sports Park by the sea would be welcome. It certainly would encourage me to stay in shape.

What are acceptable environmental and social loads/stressors?

The decibel limit and times of play are described by law but unenforced. There is no recycling system in place. No one wants more vehicular traffic. The aquifer should not be loaded with more untreated sewage which flows to the sea eventually. Etc etc.

So maybe..."as conclusions about the development can only be based on susu and hints, there can be no real protests. Only reactions based on incomplete or innacurate information" is more accurate?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cannot Believe This on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 06:56 pm: Edit Post

RATHER pathetic? It's pitiful. It's embarrassing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By RL on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 07:28 am: Edit Post

Today?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:37 am: Edit Post

9 days and still counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Glass Half Full on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 12:09 pm: Edit Post

How about "seriously deficient"? I am thinking a useful part of this frustration is to think of appropriate words that fall within the guidelines. This exercise can expand my vocabulary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 05:12 pm: Edit Post

My word for the day shall be enervate -- as in this process is enervating.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 06:48 am: Edit Post

We have repeatedly asked BREDS for information with no reply. To be fair neither BREDS nor anyone else is under obligation to post here.

The email address listed on the BREDS website is info@breds.org. Directly contacting them may yield better results.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By PR Lady on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 09:43 am: Edit Post

TB.net, you are 100% correct. No one is required to provide answers on this Forum.

As a practicing Public Relations consultant for nearly 20 years, I always advise my clients to head off criticism as quickly and honestly as possible. I tell them they need to speak openly and completely to avert or help mitigate a PR crisis. If they choose not to answer questions or say "no comment," this will almost always result in damage to their reputations.

There are many well known cases of large corporations being blamed for things they did not do. The Tylenol case is one of the most memorable, and it was gracefully and professionally handled. Conversely, a company such as Firestone alienated their customers and caused significant damage to their image by not taking responsibility for what happened after numerous tire blowouts.

I would hate to see damage done to the image of a fine organization such as BREDS because they do not realize disregarding the concerns of their public can most certainly tarnish the reputation they have worked so hard to achieve.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 04:21 pm: Edit Post

"The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right." ~William Safire


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 03:33 pm: Edit Post

Today my word is obscuring -- as to make undecipherable or imperceptible by obscuring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Shabba on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 11:46 am: Edit Post

Why not ask Danny Buchanan or Jason directly? Then see how much they are able to divulge. They are both public figures associated with government bodies, whether fully or only partially.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 01:50 pm: Edit Post

10 days and still counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 03:33 pm: Edit Post

I agree PR Lady.

I hope that the principals have not concluded that they have to shy away from confrontation with unreasonable people. I sense no witchunt nor detect irrationality or bad mind here.

The other possiblities: politricks, arrogance, entitlement, no reason to be accountable, don't care etc present themselves as possibilities only because minds do stray when not grounded with facts.

Again, I respect BREDS as an organisation that has done good things for the community and anticipate more positives from them.

Some of this community are asking to participate
in 'Community Tourism' with them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 06:22 am: Edit Post

11 days and still counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Raven on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 07:00 pm: Edit Post

Shabba, you are there. Most of us are not. It would be appreciated if you would take the time to ask Mr. Henzell or Mr. Buchanan or both of them and report back to us. We deeply care about this issue and desire facts, not heresay or rumours. If you could convince either of these gentlemen to post their responses, this would be brilliant!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Contributor on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 07:21 am: Edit Post

I am getting fed up now. I contribute to BREDS but I will not be doing it anymore until I get some answers. Ignoring this issue comes across as high-handed and arrogant. We are all entitled to know what is going on in our community and with our contributions. It is also placing a veil of mistrust over BREDS and leads to further questions of their fiscal management. The lack of answers only serves to fuel the fire.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sports Park on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

A release is presently being drafted, as we would love to answer your questions and queries as best as possible. Please allow us the time to do this, as there are other things that we are working on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By peaceful on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:24 am: Edit Post

TB net, why you did not post my question's that I wanted to be answer by breds,I didnot say anything that was not in your guideline.My question to breds how much money they have collected on behalf of the people of Treasure Beach and how much they have spent since they started this organisation.I even suggest if they dont feel comfortable saying on line they should call a meeting with the people of treasure beach and answer all the question that needs to be answer.It also protect there own reputation if ever thing is what they say it is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TB.Net on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 12:04 pm: Edit Post

Peaceful, your message was posted. You posted it under the "Drumming up Donations . . . " thread.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By PR Lady on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 12:57 pm: Edit Post

My purpose is not to provide lessons on public relations on this Forum. However, since Sports Park (whoever you are) has posted something here, it is clear BREDS is preparing a press release or statement. I most certainly trust whatever BREDS choose to issue will not be the end of this discussion. Rather, I would hope they are endeavoring to respond to the long list of concerns that have been addressed here. I would also hope they are willing to answer additional queries in a timely manner, as it is quite obvious people are getting upset. BREDS, we would all benefit (including your organization) by getting everything out in the open. I implore you to not hide behind a prepared statement or a "too busy to respond" apology.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 05:44 pm: Edit Post

"The reputation of a thousand years may be determined by the conduct of one hour." ~Japanese Proverb


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 07:03 am: Edit Post

12 days and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 11:26 am: Edit Post

"The best way to keep one's word is not to give it." ~Napoleon Bonaparte


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 05:54 pm: Edit Post

The word for today is taciturn -- as in "why are the people in charge of the Sports Arena being so taciturn?"

The word for yesterday was neglect -- as in I neglected to think of a word on Thursday, so I am providing two on Friday.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 07:44 am: Edit Post

13 days and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NYC on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 02:14 pm: Edit Post

This is never going to be answered here. I think we are being sent a message.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 01:55 pm: Edit Post

Those bad duppies @ Backseaside are real restless.

Somethings going on and they don't quite know what it is.

No kulukulu or baka can still them.

I'm not sure if they are ecstatic or brindle.

I do know dem eays hole peel.

The pond maidens have been asleep for awhile

they should not be stirred without good cause.

Me, I'm listening to Jamaica buss out via

internet and real proud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 06:51 pm: Edit Post

For today, let's try "obviate" -- as in "we'll obviate the discussion on the Sports Arena by keeping silent."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 05:56 pm: Edit Post

"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." ~James D. Miles


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ntrg on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:42 am: Edit Post

Turey, dis duppy a invite yuh to a christmas party. Have fi meet yuh, you are 2 interesting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 11:16 am: Edit Post

14 days and counting. Alternatively, 2 weeks and counting. I am getting bored with anticipation. Anyone else share my sentiments?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 10:20 am: Edit Post

Thanks Ntrg, hope I'm in Ja @ Xmas for the party and to meet a fellow duppy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:23 am: Edit Post

"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail." ~Abraham Lincoln


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ! ! ! ! ! on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 08:23 pm: Edit Post

Well, you're gonna have to wait a little longer. There's no current in TB.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 09:10 am: Edit Post

Now where are those photovoltaic units?

Too expensive?

Freedom from monthly bills, no hassels with beaurocracies, power when JPS lines down, disconnect from fossil fuel electricity, possibilty of remote development (no bill for running lines and planting posts etc) and possible income from selling power to JPS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 01:52 am: Edit Post

The consequenses of such a clear contradiction would be to no ones advantage NYC ie: community tourism/isolated cliqueism.

The fractures to reputations and goodwill would affect us all, as the principals are all respected and assets to the community.

I can only hope that the combined efforts and networks of those involved have something magnificent up their sleeves.

These times call for nothing less.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 11:02 am: Edit Post

And...magnificent does not have to be huge.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 08:04 am: Edit Post

"Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow." ~Mark Twain


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:59 pm: Edit Post

15 days and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:57 am: Edit Post

We will try "imperious" -- as in "some appear to have an imperious attitude toward others."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A Commoner on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:05 pm: Edit Post

Ah, Turey, you want magnificent. We the lowly will gladly settle for straight answers. My patience is expiring as the perceived rudeness continues.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ???? on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 07:19 am: Edit Post

2.28 weeks and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tired of the complaining on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 02:29 pm: Edit Post

If everyone that left Treasure Beach donate $1.00 of their country currency the Antenna would be fixed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By NYC on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 01:20 pm: Edit Post

I continue to believe the nonresponsiveness is telling us something. Something important.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

Why does anyone still consider themselves lowley?

A commoner yes, as in one that shares in the commons.

I never said huge and showy, small and right can be magnificent, depending on the appropriate design skills of the designer.

turey, a microspeck in the milky way galaxy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 02:37 pm: Edit Post

Let's learn "accountable" -- as in "governments and organizations should be accountable to someone besides themselves."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bowl on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 09:12 pm: Edit Post

Turey please,govt.or jps will not encourage
photovoltaic units as this would put a dent
in their daily $m monopoly ripoff.
We on the south coast where there is so much
sunlight and the belt of the northeast trade winds,ie (nuff breeze).Solar energy. Wind turbines, who needs jps. Consumers paying jps
for acts of nature,(eg-huricane damage) is not
enough ripoff for them.
Bowl


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 06:17 am: Edit Post

2-3/7 weeks and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 09:53 am: Edit Post

Yes Bowl, IF this is so, both JPS and govt are acting against the common good.

Why?

Keeping us tied to innefficient energy systems.

Keeping us tied to burning hydrocarbons for energy. Pollution and Co2 release.

Keeping us responsible for payments for hydrocarbons (crude etc oils).

Keeping us tied to a mini beaurocracy that has the collection of $ as priority.

Ugly and dangerous electric lines and poles.

System fragile in breeze blow.

Missed payment = stress, no current and shame.

Cost of beaurocracy, repairs and maintainance.

Cost of lines and posts for remote development.

You listening Bruce, Peter and Co? Fervet opus in campis!

I await our first energy independent household or business in TB. It will act as a model for us all.

I hope that any developments here, sports or other, installs photovoltaics, windmills and/or or fuel cells.

So much bawling bout how wi bruk and cyan get involve in dem ting.

And, so much expensive pretty but polluting cyar, gold @ US$ 800'ish/oz bling, so much big house for show and so many leaks in our national treasure.

Lets take care of things first (needs) and then after, spend our $ on wants.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Quotesmith on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 10:39 am: Edit Post

"I suppose that leadership at one time meant muscle; but today it means getting along with people." ~Indira Gandhi


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alias on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 03:12 pm: Edit Post

This is almost the most ridiculous thread ever. No one's going to answer you here. No one HAS to answer you here. There was no subpoena issued to Breds that mandates that they report to this website, or any of it's viewers. Next time one of you inquisitive folks happen to GO to Treasure Beach, why don't ya get the info, record the conversation if you must and report your findings to the masses. Stating how many day's you've been waiting for a response.... AND under an alias at that, is about as counter productive as watching paint dry.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Plenty Annoyed on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 07:19 pm: Edit Post

I also think this string has gotten ridiculous. What seems ridiculous to me is the closed-mouthed attitude on the part of BREDS. People started out by merely requesting information about what is happening where they live or vacation or own property. Due to what is perceived as non-responsiveness on the part of BREDS, people have grown suspicious. Some are even calling for demonstrations or petitions or going to the government. Others are doing their best to keep this string alive so the matter will not AGAIN "disappear". Alias rightly says there was no subpoena issued here and all of us know there never will be. If Alias wishes to compare what is happening to something legal, I wish to let him or her know there is something called The Court of Public Opinion. It is in that court BREDS shall be judged.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alias 2 on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 06:06 pm: Edit Post

The following message was posted here almost a week ago. It is above, but I am copying it to simplify things.
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By Sports Park on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 11:02 am:
A release is presently being drafted, as we would love to answer your questions and queries as best as possible. Please allow us the time to do this, as there are other things that we are working on.
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Unless this comment was written by someone PRETENDING to represent the Sports Park, then I AM expecting them to keep their word even if they do not have to do so.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alias2 on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 10:59 am: Edit Post

Please, Breds is just a pawn in all of this. Stop making it look like Breds is not being forthcoming. We know who has the secrets.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 07:07 pm: Edit Post

Things appear to be looking up, so we will try "amenable" -- as in "someone is finally amenable to providing answers to the questions."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 09:27 am: Edit Post

2.57144 weeks and counting ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By computers on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 12:42 pm: Edit Post

Please can someone verify if it's true that Breds is closing their office at Kingfisher Plaza? This was the only internet cafe in Treasure Beach where locals and visitors can go online to read this forum and surf the net. If it's true then I hope somebody else will open an internet cafe very soon so the people here can stay tuned in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 01:37 am: Edit Post

http://webtonic.info/discus/messages/1584/3015.html?1203565988

"the drawings would then be put forward to the community for approval"

Was this statement a lie?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 02:46 pm: Edit Post

To Quotesmith:

Please open a new thread and post your messages there. They are off topic here.

Thanks,
TBNet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 11:28 am: Edit Post

2.7143 weeks and hopefully counting toward the Finish Line.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 05:50 pm: Edit Post

Today's word is "illuminate" -- as in "the answers shall illuminate the subject, freeing us from much confusion and ambiguity."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 09:06 pm: Edit Post

Uncle Lionel has inspired me to ask the right person to mark the leys and the other earth energies running through our Treasured Beach Jason, he hopes you got da fey.

He councils right brain dominance for a few days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 05:29 pm: Edit Post

Things seem to be happening, so we'll use "expectant" -- as in "Miss Anabelle's words were awaited with an expectant hush."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 03:07 pm: Edit Post

2.85716 weeks, and the counting MAY be over today.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 01:04 pm: Edit Post

How easy. 21 days and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Sunday, August 24, 2008 - 07:03 pm: Edit Post

"Angst" could be an appropriate word -- as in "this matter is causing many needless angst."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 03:45 pm: Edit Post

How about "queasy" -- as in "something is going to happen, but we're getting somewhat queasy about the wait."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 09:22 am: Edit Post

3.14286 weeks and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Felicity on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 06:54 am: Edit Post

I have been mute on this subject for the last several weeks because I KNEW others had picked up the ball. I was overjoyed when I saw Anabelle Todd was going to sit with Jason, get the answers to our questions, and report them back here for all interested parties. Presumably, she finally spoke to him yesterday and her report will be posted today for all to see.

We have waited a long time for this day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ????? on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:24 am: Edit Post

3.28572 weeks and counting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dictionary on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 02:49 pm: Edit Post

I am trying "dumfounded" -- as in "we are dumfounded the answers have not yet appeared."


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 05:40 pm: Edit Post

As an FYI, we have received a post from Annabelle Todd with information about the Sports Park. We are in the process of formatting it for publication here.

Thanks, Annabelle

-TBNet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Another Visitor on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

Two things:

Miss Todd, where are you?

Also, no one answered the question about if BREDS was shutting down the computer office in Kingfisher Plaza. If so will it end up moving, or would it REALLY be closed?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alias 2 on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 10:17 pm: Edit Post

When will the information obtained by Anabelle be formatted for publication?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By TBNet on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 11:57 pm: Edit Post

We finally got Annabelle's info in its own thread and are directing any further discussion over there.

View the new discussion here.

-TBNet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Long-Winded on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 06:58 pm: Edit Post

A question: The Sports Park will need a general contractor. The Henzells are now in the construction business. If they bid on building structures or anything else for the Sports Park, could this be construed as conflict of interest? Would anyone seriously bid against them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stateside Contractor on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:49 am: Edit Post

Very Long-Winded brings up a most valid point. This could well be another point of contention concerning this project.

Presumably, the RFQs (Requests for Quotation) would be published. The Statement of Requirements would contain detailed blueprints and diagrams accompanied by a specific Bill of Materials and a timetable, plus a penalty clause for delivering late and perhaps an incentive clause for delivering early. Should this be the case, bids would be sealed and reviewed by an independent board of highly qualified persons. Should the Henzells win the bid, it would be most prudent to have an outside body review and approve their work. Also, it is customary to withhold roughly 15% of the final payment until all work is judged 100% completed and correct.

We are getting ahead of ourselves here. Based upon what I have been reading, the local citizens may find a way to prevent this project from going forward. From what I understand, the only work to date has been the clearing of some land plus the accidental deforestation of some important trees.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sally on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 08:10 am: Edit Post

If you have ownership of something, even if it is only by virtue of an open ended lease, who is gonna tell you that you need an outside contractor? It's the owner's choice whether or not to RFQ parts of the projects but isn't all of this out of the public domain?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:16 pm: Edit Post

If the lessee is a community based organisation that happens to be headed by someone who is president of a high quality tourism organisation that may benefit from a project, it would be prudent to be as transparent as possible.

It would be a pity for a project that could benefit many may be derailed or soured by lack of transparency and an approach that is contrary to the spirit of community involvement.

Having the power of decision and ignoring those that will be effected by the decision is an indication of intent or maybe just don't care?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Very Long-Winded on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 01:08 pm: Edit Post

It would seem if charitable contributions are used, there is an implicit understanding that these contributions will be used in the best way possible. I am not suggesting that competitive bids should be obtained on each and every purchase, especially minor expenditures. However, if there is a major undertaking such as the building of a structure, then I believe it is fitting and proper to solicit competitive bids. The lowest bidder might still not be awarded the contract for various reasons; these would include insufficient experience in performing similar work, not being able to deliver on time, financial weakness, and many other reasons. The bid criteria are normally stated with the RFQ.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sally M on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 04:09 pm: Edit Post

Sally can you please add a part of your last name to avoid any confusion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Canada on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 08:00 pm: Edit Post

After reading ever body comments I am proud owener of the property next door. so people please do'nt make a mess.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alias 2 on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 07:44 am: Edit Post

Canada, could you please explain what you mean. I am sorry but I do not understand what you are saying. Exactly where is your property located?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Curious on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 08:13 pm: Edit Post

What happened to "Canada"?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 10:20 am: Edit Post

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080905/cleisure/cleisure2.html

The last three paragraphs sums it up.

For us, are we best served by a Sports complex that contains and retains some natural features or a Park in which sports is facilitated?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 09:21 pm: Edit Post

Sorry wrong link.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080905/business/business8.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A Friend on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 09:45 pm: Edit Post

Amen, Turey! It would be so wonderful if we KNEW which path the Sports Complex will follow. I hope it is the latter - and not the former disguised as the latter. Unfortunately, by the time we all discover the answer, it may be too late.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 11:13 am: Edit Post

At least some objected.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080906/D9310K5G0.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By turey on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post

Now these good ole boys have the right idea.

http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/Mississippi_University_Ole_Miss_Yearbook/198 9/Page_9.html

Jocks and slowpokes welcome! just don't molest the chlorophyll beings.

And remember, I & I a Iditate inna di grove. Shhhhhh.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A Friend on Monday, September 08, 2008 - 06:59 am: Edit Post

My feeling is this string will fizzle out because so many people have already said what they had to say. There is no reason to keep it alive by adding meaningless posts or repeating what has already been posted. However, if we allow this string to disappear, we will have allowed something far more important to be lost: Our right to provide our opinions.

It appears no further word is coming from BREDS. They seem not to answer emails, at least not ones on this topic. Ignoring all the people who care so deeply about this topic will not change our opinions; it will merely make us believe that BREDS does not care enough about us to be polite and respond to our concerns.